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2019-11-07 · Ep 564 · 38m

Ōsaka Train Alternatives to Japan Rail

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Summary

Ōsaka Train Alternatives to Japan Rail

Overview

In this episode, John Daub teams up with fellow Osaka resident and content creator Kevin Reilly (Osaka Reilly) to debunk the common misconception that Japan Rail (JR) is the only or best way to get around Osaka and the Kansai region. Standing underneath the tracks at Teradacho Station, they break down the extensive network of private railways that often offer cheaper, faster, or more convenient alternatives to JR.

The conversation covers specific routes to major destinations like Kyoto, Nara, and Kobe, highlighting lines such as Hankyu, Keihan, Kintetsu, Hanshin, and Nankai. Kevin shares insider tips on fare structures, including a little-known pricing loophole for travel to Kobe, and explains the historical connection between private railways and department stores. The video also features impromptu encounters with fans in the neighborhood, showcasing the friendly local vibe of Osaka away from the major tourist hubs.

Highlights

  • 00:32 John introduces Kevin Reilly underneath the train tracks at Teradacho Station.
  • 01:38 Kevin explains why he never takes JR to Kyoto, preferring Hankyu or Keihan for seats and price.
  • 03:24 The best way to get to Nara Park is revealed to be the Kintetsu Line, not JR.
  • 07:56 The Hanshin Line is highlighted as a much cheaper alternative to reach Kobe.
  • 09:16 Kevin shares a secret pricing loophole for JR travel past Kobe to save money.
  • 13:33 The Nankai Line's Rapi:t train is recommended for airport transfers over JR.
  • 23:28 Janjan Yokocho in Shinsekai is suggested for an authentic retro local experience.
  • 30:28 Impromptu meetups with fans Gigi, Natalia, and Kira in the neighborhood.

Timeline / Chapters

  • 00:00 Introduction at Teradacho Station
  • 01:15 Alternatives for Kyoto (Hankyu/Keihan vs JR)
  • 03:20 Getting to Nara (Kintetsu vs JR)
  • 07:10 Travel to Kobe (Hanshin vs JR)
  • 09:10 JR Pricing Loophole Explained
  • 13:30 Airport Access (Nankai Rapi:t)
  • 16:50 IC Cards and Cash Culture
  • 23:20 Local Areas: Shinsekai and Janjan Yokocho
  • 30:28 Fan Encounters and Q&A
  • 36:40 Closing and Departure

Japan Travel Tips

  • Kyoto Access: Avoid JR if possible. Use the Hankyu Line from Umeda for a seat and lower fare, or the Keihan Line for access near Kiyomizudera/Gion.
  • Nara Access: Take the Kintetsu Line from Tsuruhashi Station. It is faster and drops you closer to Nara Park than JR.
  • Kobe Access: The Hanshin Line is significantly cheaper than JR.
  • Airport Transfer: From Kansai Airport, choose the Nankai Line and pay the small extra fee for the Rapi:t reserved seat for comfort and luggage space.
  • JR Pass: If you have a JR Pass, JR is free, but for point-to-point tickets without a pass, private lines are often better value in Kansai.
  • IC Cards: Suica, ICOCA, and PiTaPa are interchangeable for travel. Regional pride often dictates which card locals hold.
  • JR Pricing Trick: When traveling JR past Kobe (e.g., to Kakogawa), buying separate tickets (Osaka to Kobe, then Kobe to destination) can be cheaper than a direct ticket due to competitive pricing zones.

Japanese Language & Culture Notes

  • IC Cards: Contactless fare cards like Suica (Tokyo/JR), ICOCA (Osaka/JR), and PiTaPa (Osaka/Private). They function similarly across Japan.
  • Kissaten (喫茶店): Traditional, old-style coffee shops often found in retro areas like Janjan Yokocho.
  • Shogi (将棋): Japanese chess, often played by elderly locals in public spaces.
  • Koban (交番): Local police box. Kevin mentions one near Tobita Shinchi, implying a regulated tolerance of the area.
  • Yokocho (横丁): Narrow alleyways filled with small bars and restaurants, often retaining a Showa-era atmosphere.
  • Department Store Connections: Many private railways (Hankyu, Hanshin, Kintetsu) are owned by conglomerates that also operate department stores at their terminal stations.

Food & Drink Guide

  • Okonomiyaki (お好み焼き): Savory pancake. Kevin recommends a specific shop near Teradacho Station with a yellow and white sign.
  • Takoyaki (たこ焼き): Octopus balls. Mentioned as a staple street food in Osaka.
  • Sachertorte: Chocolate cake mentioned by John from his cooking channel, Kuma's Kitchen.
  • Brunsli: Swiss chocolate cookies featured on Kuma's Kitchen.
  • Tapioca: Bubble tea. John buys some for his fiancée during the fan meetup.

People

  • John Daub: Host of Only in Japan Go. Curious, conversational, and eager to share local knowledge.
  • Kevin Reilly: Guest expert, creator of Osaka Reilly and Kuma's Kitchen. Long-time Osaka resident with deep knowledge of Kansai transport and culture.
  • Passerby (Gigi/Natalia): Fans from Indonesia who recognize John and Kevin.
  • Passerby (Kira): A student from the UK living in the neighborhood who tracks John down.
  • Peter von Gomm: John's friend, mentioned during the conversation about voice and style.

Key Takeaways

  • JR is not always the best option in Osaka; private railways often offer better value and convenience for specific destinations.
  • Knowledge of local lines (Hankyu, Keihan, Kintetsu, Hanshin, Nankai) can save money and time.
  • Osaka's neighborhood stations like Teradacho offer a more authentic local experience than major hubs like Osaka Station.
  • IC cards are versatile, but cash is still king in many situations.
  • Engaging with locals and fans is part of the charm of filming in residential neighborhoods.

Notable Quotes

  • 01:38 Kevin Reilly: "I would never take JR... Right off the bat, there's a problem with taking JR to Kyoto. For one thing, it's more expensive than the others."
  • 04:20 John Daub: "To Nara I almost never take JR... Kintetsu is probably the recommendation, right?"
  • 09:16 Kevin Reilly: "If you get off at Kobe and buy a new ticket, you get that little competitive discount, and it'll save you 300 yen."
  • 13:33 Kevin Reilly: "If you take the Nankai line, you get to ride the Rapi:t, which looks like it's out of a Jules Verne novel."
  • 21:55 Kevin Reilly: "Why is Osaka better than Tokyo? It's not—it's just different."

Related Topics

  • Kansai Thru Pass
  • Osaka Metro Day Pass
  • Kuma's Kitchen (John's cooking channel)
  • Osaka Reilly (Kevin's Instagram/Channel)
  • Shinkansen Travel
  • IC Card Usage in Japan

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Full Transcript

00:03 John Daub: There goes the Osaka Circle Line. Destination Osaka Station, but the question is, do you have to take JR when you're in Osaka? Do you have any other choices besides JR, or is that what you're stuck with? Guess what? There's some news here, and that man underneath the train tracks has all the answers.

00:32 John Daub: That's Kevin Reilly over there, and I'm on the other side of the street. How convenient is that? I have to wait for the cars before I get over there. We found a nice bright place where we could talk about trains in Osaka in the parking lot. Hopefully nobody comes here to try to park. Kevin Reilly, everybody. This time of day we should be pretty safe. Yeah, underneath the train tracks in a very suspicious place—if someone does pull in, we will move to the other side. Nobody knows Osaka more than Kevin Reilly, and right now you're on Instagram and YouTube—definitely check out his Instagram. He's got 700 followers, increasing very quickly. By the end of the day, he's going to be the first person to get to 1,000. Osaka Reilly is his name on Instagram.

01:15 John Daub: Now we're gonna tap your knowledge here. Okay, I know when I come to Osaka, I often take JR because I don't know the other rails—it's like taking an unknown. We know JR so well. What other lines are there? Let's say let's start a location here—if we're going to go to Kyoto, would we be taking JR?

01:38 Kevin Reilly: Well, how would you get there? I would never take JR.

01:38 John Daub: You never take JR?

01:39 Kevin Reilly: Right off the bat, there's a problem with taking JR to Kyoto. For one thing, it's more expensive than the others. It's probably just a couple minutes faster than some of the other ones to get there. There's one train that only stops at Takatsuki and then goes to Kyoto—you'll be standing the whole way. That's the problem. It's a long way to stand. I mean, for JR, yeah, it's okay if you go a short distance. But to go that far to Kyoto, it's nice to be able to get a seat. If I take another train, which is the Hankyu line, it starts right there in Umeda, and I can make sure I get a seat. So that's a different thing right there. Also, it's a lot cheaper. So I prefer to take Hankyu or Keihan, depending which part of Kyoto I'm going to.

02:21 John Daub: Right, Hankyu or Keihan to go to Kyoto if you want to avoid JR. If you get a JR Rail Pass, you're probably gonna take JR. But for the most part, I usually will take Keihan. I like Keihan because it'll take you up near Kiyomizudera, right?

02:36 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, it takes you into Gion-Shijo, which is very close to Kiyomizudera—you just walk up the hill from there. Very convenient. Yeah, it gets on to Demachiyanagi—that's like the end of the line. You and I have been there. We went there. There is a video on the main channel where we ride the trains and we actually interview the conductor and get all of the history behind that train.

02:52 John Daub: So I'm kind of partial to Keihan because they got pretty cool trains, including a luxury first class which costs almost nothing different, right?

03:10 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, it's quite beautiful—it's very beautiful, it's worth it. It's about 40 minutes to get to Kyoto on Keihan. Yeah, roughly—most of them to get to Kyoto.

03:20 John Daub: Right. Now let's say you want to go to Nara from Osaka.

03:24 Kevin Reilly: Yep, actually JR does go there. Just from here, just below us at Teradacho Station right now—so just one station down, Tennoji, you can grab a train from there that will take you to JR Nara. That's a little further away from the park and everything like that, so it's a bit of a longer walk when you get off and want to go to the park. On the other hand, from here we go two stations up—we can go to Tsuruhashi Station, take the Kintetsu line up from there. That's actually faster, and it will take you closer to the park.

03:57 John Daub: I forgot to tell you guys—make sure you get a piece of paper and a pen to write all this down. This knowledge is invaluable. Some of it might not be on the net—it's always changing. Kevin knows all the knowledge. So yeah, to Nara I almost never take JR. I've only taken it from Kyoto to Nara, but from Osaka to Nara, Kintetsu is probably the recommendation, right?

04:20 Kevin Reilly: Oh yeah, I always take the Kintetsu.

04:20 John Daub: How much is that about?

04:26 Kevin Reilly: You know, once you start using one of these cards, you don't pay as much attention to it anymore. But it's a couple hundred yen—maybe three or four hundred yen, I'm not too sure exactly.

04:38 John Daub: It's like three or four dollars to get from Osaka to Nara on the Kintetsu. JR is always a little bit more expensive.

04:47 Kevin Reilly: Actually, the last thing I'm gonna end with is the Osaka to Kobe secret on price. Not a lot of people know about this. There is something that nobody knows about unless you live in this area—you don't know. But I used to live in Kakogawa, so I remember.

05:07 John Daub: How did you find out about this? I guess when you lived in Kakogawa, you discovered it naturally. All right, that's the last thing you're gonna say. Now, so to get to Kyoto—what line do you recommend?

05:12 Kevin Reilly: I take the Hankyu line. There's a reason, because I'm teaching you Kyoto now. Oh look, he's got a tie on—you don't usually see me like this, right? But I'm teaching up in Kyoto. I was up there today, and for me it's really easy. I go to a place called Karasuma—I switch there to the Karasuma subway, go two stops, and I'm right at...

05:38 John Daub: Locals will take the line that's closest to the location that they're gonna go, which means that JR locals will still use JR. But you know, you go to the one that's closest to you.

05:48 Kevin Reilly: We're gonna wait. Having said that, I'm gonna go hiking two weekends from now. We're gonna go to a place called Hozugyo where you see beautiful red maple leaves everywhere, and to get there I will take JR because once you get to Kyoto Station, there's a little track—track 32 is kind of hidden off around the corner, the hidden track. From there you go to this place—Hozugyo is really cool. The train stops in the middle of a bridge—that's where you go. Beautiful spot out there, but for that I'll take JR because it just makes more sense.

06:21 John Daub: That's right. And in about a week, the Keihan line going to—what's the end of the line called? Demachiyanagi? No, beyond that—after you change, you get to Demachiyanagi and then you go to the other train, Demachiyanagi, and then you change trains to the second Keihan line going to—what was the end of the line?

06:39 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, that's actually Echizen [?] or something—the name of that line. It's not—I forget. It's in the video with Keihan, but right now they're getting ready because yeah, it's like it is Keihan. I think it belongs to Keihan. I don't think it used to, but it's a tourist train with big windows and you can see the beautiful maple leaves. You know what I'm talking about? You remember that one? You go through that one place—they stop and it's a tunnel of trees. Ah, it's beautiful. Yeah, that's that—after Demachiyanagi Station, you go—that's where you're going up to keep me.

07:04 John Daub: Yeah. All right, now going down to Kobe. There's three spots pretty much—Kyoto, Nada, and then Kobe, right?

07:20 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, would you take JR to go to Kobe? Be honest.

07:24 John Daub: Well, it just depends where I'm going.

07:25 Kevin Reilly: I was just out there and we took JR because it was down along the—we had to get to a place called Mikage, which is about big bridges—which one day John and I are gonna go and check out. JR was the only way to go, and it goes along the waterfront. But when I'm going hiking, I will take Hankyu because Hankyu goes up along the mountains, and that gets me to a station where I can climb up to Rokko from there. So it just really depends where. But if you want to save money, you take the Hanshin line.

07:56 John Daub: Hanshin line? Yes, it's much cheaper.

07:59 Kevin Reilly: It's funny—I don't know if everybody knows about our trains, but most of them are attached to department stores. Hanshin department store, Hankyu department store, Kintetsu from the Kintetsu department store—and that's all really down south here. Where is like, you know, Keihan also a department store. It goes up north and east, and then all those lines go west. And we also have the Nankai, but they don't have their own department store—it's a rare one.

08:26 John Daub: If you want to hear the secret now, click the like button. I'm talking to you in the playback right now—we're live, but still. Click the like button if you like this information. The last thing I want to say because Kevin does have to go—this is very useful information. Again, if you have the JR Rail Pass, you're probably gonna take JR. However, that doesn't mean for a couple of bucks not to maybe take another line going down to Kobe because of Hanshin and Hankyu line. How much is it to Kobe?

08:58 Kevin Reilly: It's like 300 and 70, 380 or something.

09:05 John Daub: So 370, 380. If JR did not have competition, they would charge probably like 500 yen, right? But because they have competition, they also have to charge 380 yen. We're not sure on the totals—it's about that.

09:16 Kevin Reilly: All right. So if I used to live in Kakogawa, which is down near Himeji, and when I took the train—if I take JR from Osaka to Kakogawa, it was about 1,000 yen. But if I took JR to Kobe, got off, bought a new ticket, and then went from there, it saved me 300 yen. Do you know why? Because JR changed the rate to be competitive with the others. If you're going past where these other railways go, you get screwed. But if you get off at Kobe and buy a new ticket, you get that little competitive discount, and it'll save you 300 yen. And on the amount of trips I took from Osaka going down there, it saves money over time.

10:01 John Daub: I didn't know this part about the story—I didn't know the part.

10:04 Kevin Reilly: You didn't know the part. I did it at Osaka Station. If I go from here—this is a JR line up here—if I go from here directly to Kobe, it's going to cost me more. I get off at Osaka Station, go out, go back in again—save a bunch of money. I found out one day—I was like, wait a second, this doesn't make sense. It's costing me... That's how I figured it out—I did the math. I go, wait a minute, to get home it cost me a thousand yen. But wait, to Kobe, which is halfway, is only 380 yen. Okay, I got off, I got back on—it was like 600 yen. But if I go straight from Osaka, it was like a thousand yen. So over time, I would save 300 yen. And over the course of three months, I'd saved like a couple hundred dollars. But then, you know, I lost time having to buy a ticket and getting off the train and everything. But if you do it, it's cool.

10:50 John Daub: So we go to—there's a nice little supermarket. All right. So we go to the supermarket and pick up like, sometimes we pick up a Sachertorte, you know, the chocolatey torte from Austria. So it's like, yeah, okay, that's worth it. Segue into why I'm here—watch Kuma's Kitchen. Please subscribe.

11:07 Kevin Reilly: Kuma's Kitchen is a channel where he is a chef, an international chef. Later cuisine is not just Japanese, although you do some Japanese—it's everywhere. You had something from Switzerland, your hometown.

11:14 John Daub: Yes, I have a good few Swiss ones. And right now, Swiss Christmas cookies. Some of them were from a couple of years ago—you can find them. So you're starting to make Christmas cookies. And I'll tell you, we just sold the Brunsli, and everybody—great, great reviews. So if you go to Kuma's Kitchen, search Brunsli—B-R-U-N-S-L-I. Those Christmas cookies.

11:36 John Daub: His channel always makes me hungry.

11:39 Kevin Reilly: Edo writes in here—guys, hope to see you in May, June 2020. Edo will wait for you. And Dan Hassan writes in here—when I was in Tokyo, it was easy to use JR and the pass. But when I was in Osaka, it was much easier to just pay my way with the Suica app.

11:58 John Daub: Yeah, okay. So yes, we'll use the app. Interesting question.

12:02 Kevin Reilly: So you guys use the ICOCA card. We have ICOCA here, which is different, but it's the same system—you can use them both interchangeably. I have ICOCA and I use that because I like to be different. I used to use Kitaca, which is the Hokkaido one—it has a flying squirrel on it. You can use that—you can recharge it in Tokyo. It doesn't really matter. It has a platypus on it. And the funny thing is my wife actually has a PiTaPa. PiTaPa. So she has a different card from me. I'm like, why have we got different cards? It just makes sense—regional pride, maybe. No, just we buy things separately. It's just a little bit of a surprise. Just getting a Suica and going around is another way to do it—it's simple, it's easy, it's cost effective. And if you're not doing the JR Pass for the entire country, I think there's a Kansai Pass or regional passes you can get. Just because you want to ride the Shinkansen, you can ride it just for a couple of stops and not get the JR Pass and save money. Just depends on what your purpose is going to be. That's the most comprehensive pass for people that are... But that means you're like swinging across the country and not really seeing much to make it work. If you really want to take it easy, there's regional passes. In fact, I think Osaka has day passes, don't they?

13:09 John Daub: They do have some day passes. Have you used them for the metro before?

13:11 Kevin Reilly: Yeah. How much is that? 24 hours—about 800 yen. So you have to be using metro quite a few places to make it worthwhile. I've only used it a couple of times when it was really worth it—I was going to a bunch of different places. Otherwise, it's not really worth it.

13:26 John Daub: Before we start, there's one train line that we haven't mentioned yet, and I really want to—it's my favorite train line. We should talk about it.

13:33 Kevin Reilly: Shinkansen? No, but if you're going south of here, the Nankai line. So what happens is a lot of people come here and they'll take the JR line from the airport or to the airport because of course everybody knows about JR. But if you take the Nankai line, you get to ride the Rapi:t, which looks like it's out of a Jules Verne novel. It's only an extra 500 yen to get the—you reserve a seat in there. Big wide seats, place to put your suitcase—it's so much more comfortable. I don't know why people would get on that other train—you can jam in there with your suitcases, it's restrictive. Nankai—N-A-N-K-A-I. That goes to Namba, right? It goes into Namba Station. You can get off. I get off at Shinimamiya Station because then I can hop onto this loop line and two stops I'm at home. So it just depends. But at the airport, you have the two choices—you have the JR line on one side, Nankai on this side over here. And I would go Nankai—I'd never take the JR. N-A-N-K-A-I.

14:32 John Daub: I like to go for the little guy. I like JR—nothing against JR. Except for the fact that they are often late.

14:38 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, they are sometimes late. But the Shinkansen was pretty good. But it's good to take other connections. And if you really want to learn about Japan, you have to learn about why they have all of these other private railways. Do you know why? Why is it not just JR? Why do these other rail lines exist?

14:56 John Daub: Well, they all built up a long, long time ago.

15:02 Kevin Reilly: Yeah. They started, you know, kind of conglomerating some stuff. But really, I mean, a lot of these were built way, way back—these are not new railways. They were attached to a different department store all the way back. These department stores are not just a kind of... Marmite. Yeah, Mr. Flynn—I'm bored and he brought me some Marmite last time. Thank you. So what happens is that these are Kintetsu. I actually worked for Kintetsu in a way because I was in construction. And it is a huge conglomerate, these companies. Kintetsu doesn't just own the department store and the railway lines—construction companies, all kinds of stuff that they do. We were building houses out in Nara and it was all part of Kintetsu development. So these things are big companies. A lot of it goes back to history—they needed these lines for business. So it just made sense to use what your company was doing and to build a line. And of course, you buy the property around the train station. Think about the business of this—you buy the property around the train stations. So you have basically...

16:05 John Daub: Someone's pulling in here, Kevin.

16:06 Kevin Reilly: Yeah. Oh no, no—we're good. We're good. But you got to go to the station, right?

16:13 John Daub: Yeah, he's just parking there. No, dude. You have to go at 7, right?

16:14 Kevin Reilly: I think we're getting close. We can walk back to the station.

16:21 John Daub: Yeah. Oh, we're still okay. Oh, we're still good? Yeah, we're still good. All right, I think we've pretty much covered it. But I want to hear from you, your questions. I'm making the Shinkansen back—I might do a Shinkansen livestream. I'm not sure. I seem to do that a lot.

16:36 Kevin Reilly: Yeah. But now let's answer some of the people's questions. Let's get out of this dodgy place. It's like we've been hanging out inside because we were looking for a place with light. We're hanging out inside of a parking garage as the train's going above us.

16:51 John Daub: Any info on the forthcoming Super Suica? Have you heard about the Super Suica?

16:55 Kevin Reilly: No, nothing actually. Nosh is more informed than a lot of people here. No. All I know is that the Suica is diversifying very, very quickly. It's not just... I mean, basically it's got so many users. So many tourists come and leave the money on there—they probably got a stockpile of reserves as well, of cash. But they're finding more and more ways to use the Suica. It is basically replacing cash.

17:19 John Daub: Suica is the card in Tokyo.

17:22 Kevin Reilly: I don't... I call them IC cards because I'm all over the place. But Suica is the Tokyo JR version. And each group is finding new ways to use that to monetize. So I bet you're going to be paying for a lot more stuff with that. But it'll never replace good old hard cash in Japan—we just simply like paper.

17:43 John Daub: I love paper. Which is weird when they got rid of the 500 yen note not too long after I arrived in Japan. And the 100 yen note, I think it was in the '80s. But we no longer have those notes—it only has 1,000, 5,000, and 10,000. And I think they might need a... Funny thing is that we don't have 2,000 yen notes here. But a lot of my tourists who have come here have had 2,000 yen notes. I'm like, where did you get these? They're in front of the bank. So banks in America still have the 2,000 yen notes. But we can't get them here. So I'll collect a few of them.

18:14 Kevin Reilly: We can get them in Japan—you can still get them? I've never seen them. They still print them.

18:18 John Daub: Oh really? Yeah, they're like the $2 bill—people don't know they're actually in circulation. Kevin didn't even know. The 2,000 yen notes are in circulation. And you can... If you look at the train vending machines, they take them now. Really? It was a big, big problem for vending machines in 2000 when they made that note and it came out—it just caused a lot of problems. The registers didn't have an extra place for the 2,000 yen note—they were gone. Well, they were... They're still here and they still print them. But they were gone out of... People don't use them. That's what they found. But on the back of it is one of the gates that represents Shuri Castle, which burned—not too long ago. So yeah. So there's a... I don't think they're going to want to get rid of that one right away because that gate is one of the gates for Shuri Castle on the back of the 2,000 yen note, which is some interesting information. So Okinawa is represented in that note, and they like that because it brings unity to our wonderful country here.

19:22 John Daub: We're walking back to Teradacho Station. On the other side of the station, it's pretty vibrant, pretty bright. The other side... This is my favorite liquor store actually—look at that right here. This is Kevin's favorite liquor store—Cosmo Liquor. So that's where I get my wine. Do you need a drink? We got some red wine here and some white wine. Wow—they got a lot of booze in there. Good prices too. Hold on a second—let me see. Whoa—they take Suica. Some of these places take PayPay. All these different digital monies. You see FamiPay. 7-Eleven had some digital money and then they got robbed of $600,000 somehow. I guess they didn't work out the bugs.

20:13 Kevin Reilly: Is this the station with the okonomiyaki restaurant?

20:15 John Daub: Kevin—yes, it is. Yeah. There he is over there—it's just over there. We're very close to it. This is the station. Teradacho is a really interesting station, and I think you're going to see what real Osaka is like down here compared to Osaka Station. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's really changing fast. A little watered. Oh, so the Yoshinoya became the takoyaki place? What happened to the takoyaki place? No, no, no—yesterday I was like, see the little blue awning beside it? That's the one. Oh, the blue was... They moved that out there. Should we show people the okonomiyaki place, or are we trying not to get tourists to go there?

20:52 Kevin Reilly: Oh, that's okay—they're happy with the business.

20:56 John Daub: Yeah. That's Teradacho Station—the entrance right there. We're underneath the tracks. That's JR. And to get here to Teradacho, you can only take JR, right?

21:05 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, well yeah—the train line is... That's all there is to here. Tennoji was just over... It takes about 10 minutes to walk to Tennoji from here. There's subway lines and everything over there. Right. And it's just over there about 100 meters down the street. Yeah, actually if we cross the street, you can show them the sign and it's easy to find it.

21:24 John Daub: Okay, let's cross the street. Any other questions here? Kevin and I are now taking your questions underneath Teradacho Station in Osaka. We want to know what you want to ask. Actually, it was on the live feed last night when we were walking through that big, long shopping street—we had a quick look at it. That's my favorite place. It's called Sushi Masa. Sushi Masa. It's the Temma Station on the JR loop line. Yeah, the same loop line right here. Check that place out, guys. Why is Osaka better than Tokyo?

21:55 Kevin Reilly: It's not—it's just different.

21:57 John Daub: It is. No, it's different—it's just different. People are friendlier, the food's better, everything—rents are lower. You can't argue that one. Where is the best local experience that you can have in Osaka?

22:12 John Daub: Kevin actually takes people on tours, right? You give...

22:16 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, I do. How would somebody take your tour? You go to a company called... Hang on a second. He's on TripAdvisor—Pinpoint Traveler.

22:27 John Daub: Pinpoint Traveler. Okay. He's actually a friend of mine, and he used to say he wanted Kevin Reilly and... Wow. I didn't book you, my friend, through Pinpoint Traveler—we got to work something out. Do you go live on your...

22:40 Kevin Reilly: No, I never go live on my channel. Yeah, not yet. We're getting used to it. He's getting used to it. It's almost like a street. Cooking live is hard, right? Cooking live would be hard. Yeah, well I mean it'd be okay, but I like to set everything up. I mean I have a certain style of the way I like to do my videos, so it would be totally different live. It's totally different.

23:01 John Daub: Isn't it different live? It's always different live—you can feel it on the other side, the vibe. That's right.

23:18 Kevin Reilly: Did somebody ask about the most interesting street to go to or area to go to? Yeah, the most local experience in... I like going Shinsekai, but what you got to do is when you're in...

23:28 John Daub: Yeah, Shinsekai's nice, but not a lot of tourists are going there. So what you want to do is you want to go off to the side to a place called Janjan Yokocho.

23:35 Kevin Reilly: Janjan Yokocho, yeah. That's more local, and it seems like a lot of tourists are scared to go down there. Like they look like, oh I don't know, like go in there or something like that, but you can. It's friendly. I'm scared to go down there. And it's like there's a lot of old stuff in there, like retro things, right? It's really cool—like the old, really really old coffee shops called kissaten, and then there's the old guys playing shogi, which is Japanese chess. And you got the caught gun arcade—you know, you shoot things, win prizes. This is a lot of really cool old stuff in there, and it's really—it hasn't changed since about 110 years ago when that place was built. I think because that's the way that the locals like it.

24:13 John Daub: That's the way that people like it. People in Japan don't really like change, and that's why we still have fax machines, right? It's still like a fax machine. Just the other day, somebody said, could you fax that to me? I said, can I fax that to you? What do you mean? How about a PDF? Can I just attach it to a PDF or something? No, no—fax is good. So okay, so I had to go to the supermarket to fax them because supermarkets have that service.

24:34 Kevin Reilly: There it is right there, right? You got the sign. That big sign—see the yellow and the white? The border of it? The yellow says okonomiyaki. Daytime, it's really easy to see because it's a brown sign. Yeah, it always stands out from the others. At night, it's green. So this is where you want to get the best okonomiyaki in Osaka.

24:55 John Daub: Tell them Kevin Reilly sent you so they know where to pass the bill. No, no, no. You look underneath and you see that—right on the bottom, that's it. Yeah, that's the one we came out. I remember—people remember that from the video, I think, that we took in there. And actually, it's changed. When you were here, there was a building beside it, right?

25:13 Kevin Reilly: Yeah, it was knocked down—they've rebuilt a new building. That's just been built. And what they're going to do, they told me—that's going to be all non-smoking on that side. Oh, that's smart. Yeah, so that will be opening pretty soon, actually. Non-smoking.

25:34 John Daub: Gordon Flynn, much appreciated. All right, cool. We're going to be heading back to Tokyo. Kevin's going to work. Yeah, that's why he's got the tie—he's a working man. I'm working pretty hard. But Teradacho is a pretty cool place. I don't think that you should limit your trip to JR only. I think you should be open-minded and think about the other train lines—especially if you're going down to Kobe, going up to Kyoto or Nara from here. Or even to Wakayama.

26:00 Kevin Reilly: Are there any local—is it just JR? No, Wakayama, yeah it was JR. But also of course you take the Nankai line down. The Nankai line, right, that goes towards Kansai Airport. Kansai Airport, yep. Yeah. But there's another one—there's two lines from it. There's the main line goes to Kansai Airport, but the other line will take you to Koya Mountain. Ah, that's beautiful up there. It won't take you right to the mountain—you got to then take another like a funicular train up the mountain. That's beautiful up there. Do you ever... Especially in summer, you get to escape all the heat. Ah yeah. Wakayama's good for the summer. It's like going to Karuizawa or Nagano in the snowy from Tokyo.

26:36 John Daub: Do you ever take anyone to the Tobita Shinchi area?

26:40 Kevin Reilly: That's the red light district. No. Somebody I was working with took me out, took me down—he goes, I got to show you this. He took me down to that area and we walked by—what is this place? He goes, it's a red light district. I'm like, oh my. It was the most surreal experience walking through there. Do not even try to take pictures—there's people with weapons and stuff. No, no, no—don't... Osaka is... Not a good idea. Osaka will rough you up here, okay? Because the police station is right next to the red light district, and I guess they got some kind of deal going. I don't know—it's true, right? There's a koban on the side there. Yeah, it's protected. It's one of the most surreal experiences.

27:16 John Daub: Yeah, I sense that. Oh hey, somebody wants to send me something—cool. Send him stuff, send him stuff. Hey Kevin, that's a good name, isn't it? Yeah, Kevin's a good name. Oh, what else you got? The yellow line is for people who are blind, and I talked about this a couple of days ago. You can feel it with your... Sorry, yellow line. I'm looking at the red over there. The yellow line is for people that are blind, and then at the intersections and stops it's tactile so you can feel it with your feet. Yeah, it's got bumps. Yeah, these got bumps and these have lines so you know that's what that is. So I just asked, does it snow? When does it start to snow? None of these questions have anything to do with trains. Yeah, not really here. It tries to snow in early February or something like January, and the little flakes are just like, oh I'm probably trying to get... But they never quite get here. Is there anything that... It's their favorite food to eat—right over there. Yeah, it's definitely... He's got to show you this. Is there something you want to eat? David just give us some cash for like street food or something. Is there something you want? I got to go actually. Sorry. I will put it in the piggy bank for rainy day fun—for my bento backup. I'm going to use it for a bento. He's going to be down here again soon. I will be. I actually went to film a secret episode before I met him. I was supposed to meet him at 3:30—I apologize for being late. I sent him pictures of the secret episode—it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Right. Actually, so we did that. Look, if you want to get a hold of me and ask a question, it's mail at kumaskitchen.com. Mail at kumaskitchen.com. Or Instagram—I might just not see it for a day or two, but yeah. Instagram is also a good place. Yeah, so I just go to Osaka Riley on Instagram and...

28:57 John Daub: Show us your Instagram. Let's see here. Yeah, okay—let's see how many... A bunch of people just... A bunch of people just signed up—they're signing up right now. Are you a member of the... Are you a member of the Kevin Reilly... Osaka Riley? Oh okay—we don't want to see the passcode. I showed my credit card number once in a livestream—it didn't go well. That's my latest picture—I just uploaded it up in Kyoto. Oh that's nice. Yeah, I do a lot of little pictures—I got little details in neighborhoods around there and stuff down in here. So and there it is—Osaka Riley. Osaka Riley. Yes. Bye Kevin. Hey, bye David. Boom. So yeah, that's it. Why are you leaving? I'm working so late. Actually it's only seven o'clock, but it's actually... It's six right now. There's a sick teacher and I'm going out to help out at this night school, so not usually. Why not have King Kevin on the Discord? Kevin's never figured out how to use Discord. Well we could if you want to. Discord—I don't know if it's worth starting your own Discord, but there's a... Do you know what Discord is? I know what it is, but I've got so many other things. I'm like, nah I don't know. He's quite busy. He's got quite busy. Yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, couldn't have... Kevin has a Patreon though, and you send out recipes. Yeah, my Patreon. So he just put a question. Yeah, it's Kuma's Kitchen. Yeah, Kuma's Kitchen Patreon. I think it was patreon.com/kumaskitchen—all in one word. Kuma's Kitchen. I'll put the link in the description when I'm on the Shinkansen. Give me a couple of minutes, maybe like an hour before.

30:28 Passerby: Uh, hello. How you doing?

30:32 John Daub: Hello. Are you live right now?

30:35 Passerby: Yeah, we're live. Can I take your picture?

30:38 John Daub: Sure—you can take our picture. Where are you from?

30:49 Passerby: I'm from Indonesia.

30:50 John Daub: Oh okay. I was gonna say you're definitely not from Osaka, because nobody in Osaka knows us. Nobody knows us in Osaka. How about you? Tell us about yourself.

30:57 Passerby: Oh well, I'm probably studying here.

31:01 John Daub: Oh okay. I know your channel from...

31:02 Passerby: Oh thank you.

31:05 John Daub: She knows our channel. Yay. You're going to go on a food tour? And we are still going to the beach, the one with the waterfall. Oh okay. But it's so weird—I didn't know. Oh yeah right. Yeah. Because of your channel. We influenced people. Thank you. Yes. I'm an influencer. Yes. Oh you took it already? You gave a picture already? Yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. All right. Cool. So you stayed in... You're studying in... Over there. Yeah yeah. Oh from Indonesia. Yeah. Where is my neighborhood? Wait, you're staying here? I live here. I can't see it. What's your name? You'll see Kevin walking around all the time, especially at that okonomiyaki place. I'm Gigi. Make it friends. Gigi. Cool name. All right. Natalia. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm Gigi. Gigi? Yeah. Natalia. Natalia? Yes. If you ever visit Indonesia, I will be your third guide. I had my honeymoon in Indonesia, and we'd love to come to Jakarta and all through the island. Okay. Good place—where do you live? I live in Jakarta. Jakarta okay. There's a lot of good food over here. Oh yeah. I'm going to take you and you can talk to me. Alright. Oh my god. Okay. We'll keep in touch. Using the Instagram? Oh yes. Alright well get in touch with us on the Instagram. Oh okay. Yeah Kevin. Yeah we're promoting Kevin's Instagram too. Yeah. Alright. Kevin—Osaka Riley. Osaka Riley. Yeah—R-I-L-E-Y. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm about to buy tapioca. Oh tapioca—this is open a little while ago. Yeah yeah. And it's very good—this is so many different shops. I don't know. Oh you found that? I tracked you down. You tracked us. Ah we've been one spot for too long.

33:04 Passerby: How you doing? Hi. Welcome. What's your name? Kira. Kira? Kira. Nice to meet you Kira. Oh really? Nice. Alright how cool is this?

33:17 John Daub: I wouldn't be able to track me down—I don't know this neighborhood that well. That's impressive—it's very impressive. Kevin you gotta leave at seven or six?

33:21 Kevin Reilly: No I gotta be there at seven. So you gotta go now? Yeah yeah so I gotta go first. And I gotta go too. Kira—hi! Nice to meet you for a second. Thanks for the videos. No not at all—not at all. I'm happy to be here all the time—it's my pleasure. Where are you visiting from? I'm from the UK. Okay. I'm actually a student. You guys keep talking. Yeah. See you.

33:51 John Daub: And there he goes. Good luck Kevin—don't be late. Blame me—call me if you need a note. I'll write a note. I gotta go too. Wow—you caught us just as we were like ending. Yeah. How's your trip going? I'm actually a student here. Oh cool. Yeah—here in this area, in Osaka. Yeah—same university? Oh no. I'm studying Japanese. Oh okay. Oh that would have been really cool. Yeah. Come on over to the side. Yeah. So this live should change from Kevin who left us, and then we have new guests here. Yeah. There you are. So what we were actually in this live show, we were talking about the fact that we were going to be on a trip to the UK. And talking about non-JR ways to get around Osaka. Do you always take JR? Do you ever take...

34:45 Passerby: No—we take Midosuji. Midosuji—the subway.

34:50 John Daub: The subway. Yeah—we didn't even talk about the subway really. So yeah, the subway system is a little bit—I don't know, it's easier than Tokyo. Maybe there's less lines than in Tokyo. But yeah. Now you can go like this. Now you can go like this. Oh there you go. So where are you going right now? I'm going back to Tokyo like right now. Oh okay. Yeah—I came here just to film a... Oh my god, we're so lucky. Yeah—I came here just to film an episode. And then I finished—I came here to say bye to Kevin. And we were doing a livestream for one time. And then yeah—now I'm on my way to go back to the station. Yeah—I believe in good karma right now. Yeah. I'm going to buy my fiance a tapioca. Wow—that's why I met you at first. That's crazy—we're not going this way. That's how it is. We're not even going this way. I know—we saw you down the street like 100 meters away. Like there. And then we saw somebody just like collapse to the ground—it was like 100 meters away. And we said somebody fell down like wow. It's like oh what happened? Oh okay—now she's waving. You can see us from that far away? Yes. I guess not a lot of people hold a stick with the camera or walk around I guess. I really like recognize your voice. And your yeah—you're one of the YouTubers that's not annoying. I'm not annoying. Whoa—I'm not a YouTuber. It's alright—that's a big compliment, I appreciate it. Thank you. I can listen to your voice. Thank you—I try. It's maybe from hanging out with Peter. Peter's voice is so smooth. Peter look what you've done. Hello, I'm Peter von Gomm—I'm not annoying. Oh you're from... See? Works. Alright. And Kira, where are you going tonight?

36:31 Passerby: I actually live in the neighborhood. Once you mentioned the station, I was like I've got to find you. That's like down the street. Yeah—how cool is that?

36:42 John Daub: Is there anyone hunting him down right now? Is there anyone hunting him down right now? If anybody's on the way, you better meet me at Shin-Osaka because I'm about to get out of here. Shin-Osaka? No. I'm going to Shin-Osaka—I gotta go back to Osaka Station and then take the... What is the best way to get to Shin-Osaka from here? You're going there right? No—I go there next week. Oh next week—okay. How to go to Shin-Osaka? Yeah from Teradacho—do I have to take the line all the way back to Osaka Station? Oh no—you spotted the stupid ones, maybe you know them. Okay—tell us. How do I get back to Shin-Osaka? JR is closest. Yeah JR. It's one station to Tennoji, and after that you can change. Okay at Tennoji yeah—and change trains into the Shin-Osaka. Oh from Tennoji? Yeah from Tennoji. Okay good—so I get off the Circle Line and change at Tennoji and get on to the... I think the JR has the one that's going to the Shin-Osaka. Alright. Alright but get off the Circle Line and then go onto the other line in JR. Yeah. I'll figure it out—I live here. Not here here—I live in Tokyo, so we're always lost. But just so everybody knows, this livestream is about that train and JR, and you don't have to take JR to get around—you can take other trains. And that's the point of this video. And Kevin thank you for the information, and thank you everybody for the impromptu meetup—I love that. Out of the blue. Out of the blue. And hit us up—if you have a comment or a question about trains in Osaka, a story that you want to share, a suggestion getting around, leave a comment below and Kevin and I will help you out. And check out Kevin's Patreon and Instagram. Patreon. Yeah Kevin's doing Patreon—I want to give my friend some love. That's pretty much why. But Kevin works hard and he deserves a lot more than what he's getting. And it's up to me to help him and to help you. So bye everybody. Johnny is... Bye. ...on his way to Tokyo. Kodai I'm coming home. Yay. I'm coming home Kodai—this is it. You're warning. Bye. It's a warning—bye guys.

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