Why they left Tokyo for the Japanese Countryside
Why they left Tokyo for the Japanese Countryside
Overview
In this episode, John Daub travels to Kochi Prefecture on the island of Shikoku, a region renowned for its pristine nature and challenging accessibility. He visits the town of Otoyo to meet Violet and Carlo, a couple who made the bold decision to leave Tokyo and relocate to the countryside. They are revitalizing Violet's ancestral family farm, which has been in her family for over 400 years, focusing on yuzu (Japanese citrus) production.
The video explores the motivations behind leaving the big city for rural Japan, highlighting both the serene benefits and the significant challenges. Violet and Carlo discuss the aging population, the lack of digital infrastructure like online forms (reliance on fax machines), and the abundance of unused land and buildings. Despite these hurdles, they see immense potential in outdoor tourism, remote work ("workation"), and organic farming.
John walks through the family property, showcasing the steep terrain, the thriving yuzu trees, and the nearby Yoshino River, famous for rafting. The conversation covers practical aspects of rural life, including cost of living, visa options for foreigners, and the necessity of creating your own business opportunities in areas with few traditional jobs. It is an inspiring look at rural revitalization and the "true Japan" found outside major metropolitan centers.
Highlights
- 00:00:00 Introduction to Kochi: John introduces the stunning natural beauty of Kochi Prefecture and the effort required to reach this remote location.
- 01:31:00 Meet Violet and Carlo: The couple explains their move from Tokyo to Violet's ancestral home in Otoyo to revive the family yuzu farm.
- 02:32:00 About Yuzu: Carlo explains what yuzu is, its uses, and Kochi's dominance in production (54% of Japan's total).
- 03:57:00 Leaving Finance for Farming: Violet shares her background in finance and investment banking before deciding to move due to burnout and family land opportunities.
- 05:18:00 Outdoor Potential: Carlo highlights the Yoshino River's potential for rafting, trail running, and hosting sports championships.
- 06:24:00 Digital Divide: The challenges of rural bureaucracy, including the reliance on fax machines and lack of online forms.
- 08:03:00 Abandoned Schools: Violet plans to convert an abandoned school into a workation facility with accommodation and shared offices.
- 11:29:00 Town Name: John confirms the town is Otoyo and promises to share location details for viewers.
- 13:25:00 Local Experiences: Overview of local activities like harvesting zenmai (fern shoots) and tasting goishicha (fermented tea).
- 21:49:00 Cost of Living: Average rent is revealed to be around 20,000 yen per month, though job opportunities are scarce.
- 24:01:00 Visa Information: Discussion on investment visas for foreigners wanting to start businesses in rural Japan.
- 30:06:00 Yoshino River: John marvels at the emerald color and cleanliness of the water, comparing it favorably to Tokyo's rivers.
- 34:28:00 Historical Sites: Mention of a 745 AD temple and an Edo period banjo (checkpoint) in the area.
- 38:18:00 Hiring Opportunities: Violet mentions potential hiring for CrossFit coaches and farm help via work holiday visas.
- 39:11:00 Contact Info: Violet shares her Instagram handle for those interested in connecting or investing.
Timeline / Chapters
- 00:00:00 Intro to Kochi Prefecture and the location
- 01:31:00 Introduction of Violet and Carlo
- 02:32:00 Explanation of Yuzu farming and production stats
- 03:57:00 Violet's background and reasons for moving
- 05:18:00 Outdoor sports potential (Rafting, CrossFit)
- 06:24:00 Challenges: Fax machines and bureaucracy
- 08:03:00 Plans for abandoned schools and workation
- 13:25:00 Local tourism experiences (Tea, vegetables)
- 15:01:00 Accommodation options and housing
- 21:49:00 Cost of living and rent prices
- 24:01:00 Business visas for foreigners
- 25:29:00 Walk to the Yoshino River
- 30:06:00 Viewing the river and rafting
- 34:28:00 Historical sites in Otoyo
- 38:18:00 Hiring and volunteer opportunities
- 39:44:00 Closing thoughts and contact info
Japan Travel Tips
- Getting There: Kochi is challenging to reach. You can fly directly or take a train via Okayama (crossing the bridge to Shikoku). A car is highly recommended once in Otoyo as train service is limited (only ~4 stops per day).
- Accommodation: There are guest houses associated with rafting companies. Otherwise, visitors often stay in nearby Ohe Valley or Motoyama (Montbell outdoor village). Violet plans to create more accommodation in Otoyo.
- Cost of Living: Rent is extremely low compared to Tokyo, averaging around 20,000 yen (~$200 USD) per month. However, job opportunities are scarce; you must create your own business.
- Internet: Essential for remote work. Verify connectivity before moving, as infrastructure varies in rural areas.
- Visas: Foreigners can apply for an investment/business visa (requires capital around 1 million yen and hiring two people). Work holiday visas are also an option for temporary help.
- Best Time to Visit: Autumn offers beautiful colors. Rafting season typically runs from May to November. Winter can be cold and snowy.
- Etiquette: Rural areas may rely on face-to-face interactions or fax machines rather than online forms. Patience is required.
Japanese Language & Culture Notes
- Yuzu (柚子): A Japanese citrus fruit, very sour with many seeds. Used for flavoring (ponzu, sweets, drinks) rather than eaten raw. Kochi produces 54% of Japan's yuzu.
- Goishicha (碁石茶): A rare fermented tea specific to Kochi Prefecture. Often offered as a tasting experience in Otoyo.
- Zenmai (ゼンマイ): Fern shoots harvested as mountain vegetables (sansai).
- Banjo (番所): A checkpoint used during the Edo period for travelers. Otoyo has a preserved historical banjo.
- Yūgen Gaisha (有限会社): An older form of limited liability company in Japan (no longer established as of 2006, but existing ones remain).
- Rural Demographics: 60% of Otoyo's population is over 65, and 80% of farmers are over 65. This creates opportunities for younger people to take over land and businesses.
- Fax Culture: Despite Japan's high-tech image, rural government offices often require faxed documents or in-person visits rather than online submissions.
Food & Drink Guide
- Yuzu (Japanese citrus): 02:32:00 The main crop. Used in sushi, shoyu (soy sauce), salads, and whiskey cocktails. Organic yuzu fetches the same price as non-organic domestically, but has potential overseas.
- Goishicha (Fermented tea): 13:25:00 A local specialty available for tasting experiences.
- Zenmai (Fern shoots): 13:25:00 Mountain vegetables available for harvesting experiences.
- River Fish: 34:28:00 Freshwater fishing is popular in the Yoshino River.
- Kiwi: 15:41:00 Grown locally on large vines (the fruit, not the people).
People
- John Daub: Host and creator of Only in Japan Go. He explores the region, asks probing questions about rural life, and advocates for the potential of the countryside.
- Violet: Guest. Moved from Tokyo to Otoyo in August 2020. Background in finance (15 years). Owns ancestral family land and is leading revitalization efforts (yuzu farm, workation plans).
- Carlo: Guest. Violet's partner. Moved in February 2020. Plans to open a CrossFit gym and promote outdoor sports. Handles farm maintenance.
Key Takeaways
- Rural Revitalization: There is immense potential in Japan's countryside due to cheap land, low competition, and government support for new businesses.
- Lifestyle Trade-off: Moving rural means sacrificing convenience (hospitals, shops, internet) for nature, space, lower cost of living, and community impact.
- Business Opportunity: Aging farmers are actively looking for successors to take over land and crops (tea, yuzu, etc.).
- Tourism Potential: Outdoor activities like rafting on the Yoshino River are world-class but under-promoted.
- Remote Work: "Workation" (work + vacation) is a viable model if internet infrastructure is secured.
Notable Quotes
- 00:49:00 John Daub: "Why leave Tokyo to go to the countryside? Why would you leave the big city and come to rural Japan where the population is so small... It takes a lot of people, really strong people to change the system."
- 02:53:00 Violet: "54% of production comes from Kochi. So we're the largest producers of yuzu... 80% of the farmers in Otoyo are over 65. The production of yuzu... is going down every year. So I'd like to change that."
- 06:24:00 Violet: "You can't fill out things online like you can do in the States or Europe... You have to go in there face to face or fax stuff in and it's a big waste of time."
- 08:03:00 Violet: "I want to see if I can get the management rights from the local government and turn one of them into a workation location, have accommodation and have shared offices underneath."
- 18:07:00 Carlo: "It's very chill. You know, it's peaceful. It's pitch black after 6 o'clock. Very quiet. You see every star and planet in the sky. And you get a really good night's sleep."
- 21:54:00 John Daub: "20,000 yen a month. That's like $200." Violet: "Yeah, it's very cheap. However... you have to create your own jobs."
- 30:22:00 John Daub: "Japan, look at the color of this river this is absolutely insane. Like I compare it to the Sumida River where I live very close to in Tokyo there's no comparison you could drink this water."
- 34:11:00 John Daub: "You don't really get to experience the true Japan if you come to a place like this. This is the true Japan this culture."
Related Topics
- Rural Revitalization in Japan
- Yuzu Farming and Agriculture
- Remote Work and Workation in Japan
- Yoshino River Rafting
- Cost of Living Outside Tokyo
- Business Visas for Japan
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Full Transcript
00:00:00 John Daub: Hello everybody, welcome to the Japanese countryside. Look down there at the roaring river. This is an amazing place. This is Kochi Prefecture. That's a yuzu tree right in front of me. How you doing everybody? Just for a moment I'm going to take my mask off and explain to you a little bit about this area. This is the first time I've been to this part of Kochi Prefecture. If you don't know where Kochi is, it's on the island of Shikoku. It's a challenge to get here. It shouldn't have to be. You just have to get on an airplane. You can come here by train. You have to cross over from Okayama to get here. But I've always said that sometimes that effort that you put in to get to a location really pays off because this is one of the most naturally beautiful prefectures in all of Japan that a lot of people simply don't know about.
00:00:49 John Daub: But the question for this video is why leave Tokyo to go to the countryside? Why would you leave the big city and come to rural Japan where the population is so small, where the population is shrinking, where things are really quiet, where there are feudal lords, feudal laws that make things a little bit difficult? It doesn't have to be like that. And it takes a lot of people, really strong people to change the system, maybe find a new way, find ways to revitalize an area. And right here we have two wonderful people with a family that are going to be introducing a little bit about this town and what they're doing here. So if you want to introduce yourselves, go right ahead.
00:01:31 Violet: So we have Violet and Carlo. Hi. Hi. I've been here two months. I moved here from Tokyo in August. Carlo moved here in February with the kids. And then I've been going back and forth. And then in August, I decided to move completely and get rid of our house in Tokyo. So yeah, we moved here this year. We're living in our ancestral home. My mother's family has been in this town and this land for over 400 years. We've been farmers for centuries. And we've got a bunch of yuzu trees. It was going to waste because my mother was here by herself for the last six years before her parents passed away. So the mountain kind of took over all the yuzu trees. And when Carlo moved here in February, there were all the vines killing the trees that yuzu probably cut.
00:02:32 Carlo: And I'm not going to explain it because you were doing it and I haven't done any of it. As you can see, yuzu trees are... Yuzu is a Japanese citrus fruit. You don't really eat it raw the way it is. You see it on the trees. It's mostly seeds inside of it and super sour. But it's used in a lot of products. And it's one of the big exports from Kochi Prefecture here. And this farm is full of them.
00:02:53 Violet: Yeah. So 54% of production comes from Kochi. So we're the largest producers of yuzu. And within that, Otoyo ranks about fourth, depending on the year, like third, fourth, fifth. But because the demographics are shifting, people are getting older. 80% of the farmers in Otoyo are over 65. The production of yuzu, the volume of production is going down every year. So I'd like to change that. Our neighbor has 300 yuzu trees and they just let it go to waste. And there's a lot of yuzu all around this town that are just going to waste. It's not being touched. Mountains taking over. So I'd like to maybe buy up those lands or lease it from these farmers. They get some income from it. And we can revive the Otoyo yuzu production.
00:03:45 John Daub: Yeah. So Violet, I guess the biggest challenge is like the people here in this town are not very business savvy. So you left Tokyo. You had a pretty successful job there.
00:03:57 Violet: Yeah. I've been in the finance industry for 15 years. I've been doing Japanese equities, working at investment banks and hedge funds. But we've been coming here every year and seeing how much help this town needed. I just saw so much business opportunity here. But at the same time, I was really getting burnt out living in the city. And then the coronavirus hit. My family moved here before the coronavirus. It was just a coincidence. But after the coronavirus and I was just really worn out from working in the city and working long hours, it was time for change. I'm the eldest of my siblings and I didn't want our land to go to waste. We have a bit of land, commercial, residential and farming land. And I thought we could do something with it. So now we're here.
00:04:52 John Daub: Kochi, it's really hard to get to. And you told me earlier you're going to be starting a CrossFit business. I've already been talking with Violet for like the last 15, 20 minutes. Her plans are awesome. And at first, this is so hard to get to, who's really going to want to come out here. And then you come here and you see this beautiful area and you see the fact that there is so much potential here. What do you see in this area besides your cultural home here to think it's going to be...
00:05:18 Carlo: Yeah, I don't know if you can see the river down there. You can see some people canoeing down by the river. It's Yoshino River. It is the best river for rafting. We host the World Rafting Championships every year. And there's so much outdoor stuff. That is just untapped. Trail run, I think, is a potential. Spartan races could be a potential. If we're opening a CrossFit, can we host CrossFit like Japan CrossFit Championships here? I don't know, there's so much to do. Hiking, rafting, anything to do with the river, stand up paddle board. I think we just need someone who can promote this town a bit better.
00:05:59 John Daub: Yeah, I think the help is really needed. Are you seeing anybody, is it difficult to make change in an old place like this?
00:06:09 Carlo: It's a challenge.
00:06:10 John Daub: It's a challenge, right? Challenge is always good. If there's no challenge, then there's no reason to do it. I think Carlo was telling me, everyone uses fax machines and it's... The image of Japan is that it is super high tech, right?
00:06:23 Carlo: Yeah.
00:06:24 Violet: That's not often the reality though, right? You can't fill out things online like you can do in the States or Europe or wherever. There's not a lot of app usage or online forms. You have to go in there face to face or fax stuff in and it's a big waste of time, especially like living way out here. It's not down the street. It's a hike.
00:06:50 John Daub: The interesting fact about this town though, that the nursery that my kids go to...
00:06:56 Violet: Daddy pink. Half of them are mixed race, would you say?
00:07:02 Carlo: The kids, the demographic is definitely getting older, but the people that are moving here are people that like doing stuff on the river. So rafting people. And then those foreigners that move here will marry the locals. And there's quite a few mixed race kids in the schools.
00:07:21 John Daub: Yeah. If you just look down there once again, like we're going to take you down there to the river, but this is a place for wildlife and sports enthusiasts.
00:07:29 Violet: Absolutely. It's such pristine nature here.
00:07:32 John Daub: Probably in a few weeks, you're going to see the colors of this area change. This kind of valley that you're in here is just stunning. And like, I could see myself living here, but my biggest worry to make the move and to be as brave as you are is, what do you do here? Besides maintain the thorny yuzu trees.
00:07:54 Violet: There's, because there's no competition, you could do anything. Like we're going to open a CrossFit gym. I'm going to turn an old abandoned school.
00:08:01 Carlo: There's 2,000 people. 2,000 old abandoned schools in Japan.
00:08:03 Violet: Of which only 25% are being used. So abandoned, I mean, old schools are being converted into something to be used. And there's a lot of those in this town. So I want to see if I can get the management rights from the local government and turn one of them into a workation location, have accommodation and have shared offices underneath. And then also maybe create a nice resort at the top of the mountain. Otoyo has tons of ukai.
00:08:24 Carlo: What do you call that in English? Like the clouds above. Clouds below you. Sea of clouds.
00:08:35 John Daub: Sea of clouds, yeah. Is that an Anpanman train?
00:08:37 Violet: Yes. There was an Anpanman train that just rode by. That goes by like once every two hours or something. They don't stop at our train station.
00:08:47 John Daub: There are only like four trains stop here every day.
00:08:50 Violet: Four a day.
00:08:51 John Daub: Wow, so you need a car.
00:08:52 Violet: Yes, but you know, that means that the population density is very low, which is good in this environment. So we don't have to, nobody wears masks here.
00:09:00 John Daub: Yeah, I noticed that. You wouldn't even notice COVID's going on down here. No one knows there's coronavirus in this town. Our lifestyle hasn't changed. All the fresh air here.
00:09:16 Carlo: I can only smell the yuzu here.
00:09:19 John Daub: But I love your plans that they're very ambitious and they're very needed, I think. With the population decreasing here, there's so many abandoned buildings. There's so much potential here too. I guess it's pretty exciting when you look at it like that, right?
00:09:36 Violet: Yeah, there's so much opportunity. And even with the yuzu, because people are getting old, they can't maintain it, they need someone to come and maintain it. So that is a potential business. Land is so cheap.
00:09:46 Carlo: Yeah, there's an American guy that lives in another village and he share crops a lot of tea farms. Other villages this way. A lot of elderly people will approach you and ask if you want to take over their land and just give them a percentage of whatever you sell. As far as like tea or yuzu or whatever crop there is. And if you have a green thumb or... Like me, I have no clue what the heck to do with this stuff. All I did was rip the vines off and cut the grass. And these things are popping out fruit everywhere. So it's really not that hard.
00:10:31 John Daub: So you like yuzu?
00:10:34 Carlo: Oh, yuzu is something I grew up with. We put yuzu in sushi, we put yuzu in our shoyu, we put yuzu on our salad. We're drinking whiskey yuzu. Yuzu booze.
00:10:56 Violet: Kochi started selling yuzu overseas in 2013. And when they started selling yuzu, they were like, oh, I want to try it. They sold yuzu overseas for the first time in 2013. They only took four tons. And there were 20 countries fighting over that four tons of yuzu.
00:11:10 Carlo: And we produce two tons every year. With just a hundred trees.
00:11:22 John Daub: All right, guys, I'm looking at the live stream now. This is a live stream from Kochi Prefecture. What is the name of your town again?
00:11:29 Violet: Otoyo.
00:11:30 John Daub: Otoyo? In Romaji, that's O-T-O-Y-O. I'll put a link in the description with a map so you can find this area and kind of look at it. Because eventually I'm going to take you down and show you the river, which is just stunning. The water in Kochi Prefecture is amazing. And that's sort of the life of this prefecture, the really amazing water, which is where these yuzus soak that up too, and all the sun that's here.
00:12:08 Violet: But you know, this is all organic. We don't use any anything. But surprisingly, the price of organic yuzu and non-organic is exactly the same. So there's no incentive for the farmers to make organic produce, but ours just happened to be organic because we don't do anything to it.
00:12:29 Carlo: That was annoying because all our yuzu is organic, and when I took it to the factory to sell, they just dumped it in with the pesticide stuff.
00:12:43 Violet: Organic is sort of a new concept here. The domestic market, yuzu is yuzu.
00:13:12 John Daub: Organic yuzu might be good for overseas.
00:13:25 Violet: Otoyo has a lot of experiences. They offer... If you want to come and harvest a yuzu, they offer that. We've got a lot of mountain vegetables like zenmai (fern shoots). You can come and harvest that. Otoyo is famous for fermented tea, goishicha (fermented tea). So you can come and taste that. There's tons of experiences here.
00:13:48 John Daub: Let's walk around a little bit and show some people. This is such a beautiful area. I think for sure if you're thinking of coming to Kochi Prefecture, especially if you've already been to Japan before and you've already seen Kyoto, you've already seen Osaka, you've already seen all of these sites, going into the same place over and over again. Japan is so much more than that. And that's what makes these rural areas, these places that nobody has ever come to really special. But the thing is, you just have to know where to go. Look at this path. Again, like Violet said, this is her 400 years your family's been living here. And the lady that lives up there who came out, she's 84 and she goes up and down this path every day. And she does this. I'm 46 and my legs are killing me. How did I become a city boy?
00:14:46 Violet: But our house was actually rebuilt 50 years ago. So it's an old house. But yeah, we live in an old Japanese wooden house.
00:15:01 John Daub: I see some of the comments are, if people do come out to here, where do they stay typically?
00:15:01 Violet: There's a lot of guest houses. Because the rafting companies have guest houses. Otoh, tons of rafting companies down the river, up and down the river and they have guest houses. But other than that, there isn't anything. So people either stay in Ohe Valley, which is 20 minute drive from here. Or Motoyama, they've got a Montbell outdoor village, which is quite fun. So I definitely want to create a big accommodation in Otoyo to keep the people here so they can experience the town.
00:15:33 John Daub: I think for living in rural area, having an experience of maybe picking, I'm sure there's lots of people who want to help out and pick some of the yuzu.
00:15:41 Violet: Yeah, and there's a kiwi, huge kiwi vine tree there too. There's kiwis. Not the New Zealanders. We're talking about the fruit.
00:16:03 John Daub: That's still quite a hike. So in order to take the train station or even to get to the parking lot, you got to walk up and down those stairs, huh? Look at that. Who came up with the idea to build houses up here on the hill? That's awesome. There's a lot of landslide here, which is dangerous. So the town reinforced it by putting all these concrete walls everywhere. Landslides are quite common in Japan, especially during the typhoon season. But Kochi doesn't get hit, but it does get quite a bit of typhoons.
00:16:45 Violet: This is the shed.
00:16:52 Carlo: Here's the house. The house was rebuilt 50 years ago, so it's not that old. But the inside, we had to renovate a little bit. This is old. It's just a shed. And we've got more out the back.
00:17:07 John Daub: I see the people doing the live chats. Look at this spiders. They're everywhere.
00:17:22 Carlo: They're harmless, right? Centipede. The spiders are harmless, but the centipedes, they're nice to you.
00:17:51 John Daub: And I mean, like, you made the transition okay? Do you feel... I mean, it's very daunting and scary to move from the city to leave all the comforts that you have and the income.
00:18:07 Carlo: But I really like it here. It's very chill. You know, it's peaceful. It's pitch black after 6 o'clock. Very quiet. You see every star and planet in the sky. And you get a really good night's sleep. And I stopped drinking so much. That's a good thing about being here. In Tokyo, I used to drink all the time here. I don't drink as much.
00:18:28 John Daub: I thought Kochi had a reputation for being really...
00:18:30 Violet: Yes, yeah. There's a soccer culture.
00:18:41 Carlo: You can have one and then done, right? Whereas in Tokyo, you need one and then another one. And then somebody pours you another one. And then another one. Because the lights are on all night. And you feel like you still... Your body doesn't shut down to get sleep. But here, it's so dark and quiet.
00:18:58 Violet: You don't need anything. There's no shops. I could dress like a hobo bum all day. No one cares. We don't see anyone. The population density here is really low.
00:19:09 John Daub: I think you're saying one of the lowest in Japan. Kochi is like population density out of all the prefectures in Japan is like third from the bottom. And within that, Otoyo has a very low population density within that too. I think for raising a family as well, this is much better than in the city.
00:19:34 Violet: Yes and no, I guess. There's pros and cons.
00:19:36 John Daub: What are some of the... I can see the pros. It's fun to play here. It's safer. What would the cons be?
00:19:43 Violet: I guess 25 minutes bus to get to the closest school for Bear. There's only 12 kids in his whole year. Which is good in a way because the teacher has her attention on all the kids. 12 kids instead of what he had 40 kids in his class in Tokyo. Hospitals. Sometimes emergency rooms closed.
00:20:06 Carlo: When I sliced open my arm. From the yuzu vines, by the way.
00:20:36 John Daub: But anyway, just being in a remote area, if you have any kind of medical issues, it might be a problem. Like, if you're a diabetic or have heart problems or whatever, that you need frequent medical attention. Probably not a place to live in a remote area.
00:20:57 Violet: Well, however, there's a helicopter port. So usually, like when my grandfather needed to call the ambulance, the helicopter usually comes in. So it's very fast. It's not even 10.
00:21:07 John Daub: I was in Ogasawara, one of the Tokyo Islands, 24 hour ferry ride. No flights there. They have Japan Air Self-Defense Force flights to take people who have heart attacks and problems. They just take jet planes or something to get back to the mainland. It still takes like several hours to get to a hospital. But population is growing there, by the way. Ogasawara, a wonderful place.
00:21:39 John Daub: What is the cost of living here? That's another big thing. As you said, to live out here probably would make less money. But also the cost of living must be less, right?
00:21:49 Violet: So I think an average rent is about 20,000 yen a month.
00:21:54 John Daub: You've got to be joking. 20,000 yen a month. That's like $200.
00:22:00 Violet: Yeah, it's very cheap. However, if you're going to be here, there's not really many job opportunities. So you have to create your own jobs. There's a few people... I just joined the local MPO and they support people that have moved to the area. And there's a few people that moved from Tokyo and Yokohama and they started their own tomato farm. Or there's a guy that's up the mountain and he has his own animal farm up there. You have to be willing to start your own business. But if you do, there's tons of opportunities. And I think consulting for local governments is something that they need.
00:22:36 John Daub: Yeah, definitely need a lot of help on so many different fronts here. The average age of the population must be like 50.
00:22:46 Violet: No, no, it's higher. So I think 60% of the population is above 65 in this town. And of that, the farmer population, 80% of the farming population is above 65. So you know, a lot of these farmers need someone to come and take over their business. And they just don't have anyone. So they're always looking for young people. Like the guy that owns that laban at the top. He was looking for someone to take over his cow. He's a farmer with all his animals and he just found someone. So there's loads of local landowners and farmers and business owners that are looking for people with experience who can come and take over their business.
00:23:25 John Daub: So I guess when you moved out here, you saw this as an opportunity?
00:23:28 Violet: Yeah, definitely. People think starting a business in rural areas is not going to work, but there's no competition and the cost of living is low and the rent is low. So if you think about all that and how much revenue do you have to generate to sustain your business? It's not that much.
00:23:56 John Daub: Can foreigners come in and take over the businesses?
00:24:01 Violet: There's a business visa that foreigners can get, the investment visa. So if you have enough money and you're willing to learn the language, then yes. I think you need one million yen and you have to hire two people. It's been a while.
00:24:19 John Daub: I started my own business in 2005 and the rules might have been different. I had a yūgen gaisha, which is also not in existence anymore. But I think you had to hire two workers and then have capital of at least a million yen, which is ten thousand dollars. And actually JETRO, which is Japan External Trade Organization, has offices that will help people set up businesses in Japan. They're kind of encouraging like that. And I was really impressed with how Japan helped me start my own business here. So if you can do partnerships or joint ventures or work with local people, so you know, if you could get in touch me, I can help you navigate that. I'll put a link in the description if you want to get in touch with Violet and see any investments into this town is welcome.
00:25:09 Violet: I think, yes, the rafting.
00:25:15 John Daub: How long does it take to get down there?
00:25:17 Violet: There's a rafting company right there. What, five minutes?
00:25:29 John Daub: Let's go down to the river.
00:25:33 Violet: That's an abandoned school right there.
00:25:36 John Daub: Wow. Is that available for sale?
00:25:39 Violet: Maybe. I don't know. My son goes there for after school program. And I think some people rent it out for events like birthdays and stuff.
00:25:56 John Daub: This could be an Airbnb. Every train station has one of these abandoned schools. Sometimes the local villagers let it get grown over and fall apart. And some organize and make it happen and clean it up and rent it out through town halls and events. You know, I see an abandoned school, but my brain, because I'm an entrepreneur as well, I see potential. It doesn't look too old, this building. 1960s maybe, 1970s. I've seen older schools that were post-World War II. This one is, yeah, after World War II. But I see potential. Look at this. It's just a blank sheet to create. Right now, it's just a swallow's nest.
00:27:06 Violet: You come down here. Play with the kids.
00:27:20 John Daub: And you moved here just a few months ago? Or was it longer than that?
00:27:24 Carlo: February.
00:27:28 John Daub: Yeah, when everything started to happen. This is probably the best place to be. I'm glad I didn't get stuck in the States because I had to go back. I'm glad that the COVID didn't fall on that. I would have gotten stuck in the States. Didn't they lift the restrictions? I think I've had friends that have gone to the US and come back, but they have to do the 14-day quarantine. I don't think I'm going to be able to go and see my family for Christmas this year.
00:28:23 John Daub: I asked myself if I could ever leave Tokyo and the audience got somewhat upset. They said, why would you leave Tokyo? And I said, have you been to Kochi? Have you been to all of these amazing places that I do go to?
00:28:45 Violet: The rafting stops in November and then they reopen in May. It's cold sometimes. It used to snow a lot. I mean, the global warming impact, it doesn't snow as much anymore but it's not as cold as London or New York but it's cold. It gets very cold so comparative to Tokyo it's colder. It feels colder. A lot of the homes, Japanese homes don't have central heating and air conditioning. There was a big fire down this road so that's why these houses are new. They all burnt down.
00:29:50 John Daub: Wow, this is why you move out of Tokyo. Look at this. We've got our own stand up paddleboard we bring it down here sometimes with the kids. Just the color of this river. Which river is this?
00:30:06 Violet: Yoshino River. It is the most famous river for rafting.
00:30:22 John Daub: So outdoor sports is this huge thing here they just don't promote it well enough, right? Promotion is probably the key right now. I think this is something again so many people are looking for what to do next on their trip to Japan and the promotion of it just isn't there yet. See I'm doing some consulting for the local government and that's the issue that most local governments have all over Japan because of the demographic migration towards the city there's not enough young people doing like current methods of marketing and promoting. Yeah so it's very old school most places don't know how to use the internet. It doesn't get promoted at all so there's a lot of work to be done. Exciting, lots of opportunities. You know like with the current coronavirus people working from home if they want to do part-time consulting for local governments that's helpful. That would be very helpful.
00:31:23 John Daub: Japan, look at the color of this river this is absolutely insane. Like I compare it to the Sumida River where I live very close to in Tokyo there's no comparison you could drink this water. Again like rafting as you can see here there's some rafts. Let's just take a this a little mini raft. I could take a leap and put an ant on it and watch him go rafting. That sounds like that's something I would do. Third grade mind. I think that's a good thing. Wouldn't it be fun for the ant you kind of think about it until the ant gets out into the open river and then yeah how did he get over there he's so fast. The water does have a real emerald color to it it's beautiful. When you do a long exposure you can see right through to the bottom of the river it's beautiful.
00:32:38 Violet: The food is fresh so good here locally sourced. Which is there's pros and cons of that because it's seasonal we can only get seasonal version fruit unless we drive all the way into the city. But I guess that's good anyway.
00:33:05 John Daub: It says here I would definitely move there for six months if they have decent internet and contribute to the local economy. Yeah I don't mind not having city amenities but internet is a must to work. So I'm going to say yes because for me this is the best thing for a lot of different reasons to have internet if you have internet which is super important if you want to be able to make your house feel good. We actually did this for three years and we worked pretty hard for three years on this so we're going to live here.
00:33:42 Violet: And humid. Lovely to just jump in.
00:34:11 John Daub: You go to places in Tokyo or any big Japanese city like Kyoto and there's so many people right you don't really get to experience the true Japan if you come to a place like this. This is the true Japan this culture.
00:34:28 Violet: There's a temple here that's a treasure of Japan and was built in 745. You can go inside if you just call and book you can do a tour of the inside it's still exactly how it was originally. It's amazing you don't get to see many buildings that old. And you get to see Ryoma Sakamoto just everywhere too. He's the samurai who kind of helped Japan so many years ago. Another cultural thing we have is there's one banjo (checkpoint). During the Edo period when people were traveling from Kyoto and Osaka down to this area they had to go through the banjo which is further up north but it's still in Otoyo it's amazing old building with hay rooftop. So that's another cultural historical place to visit. Fishing is possible here. Fishing is a huge thing but river fish. If you like river fish then yeah there's fishing.
00:35:45 John Daub: Kochi is really unique if you ever come here and you fly into Kochi you'll see that you can see the whole island of the ocean and there's the ocean there's some lowland and then the mountains start really really quickly. So there's a little bit of time in between and through the entire prefecture of Kochi you have these beautiful rivers like the Shimanto-gawa on the other side which is also very famous for having such a clean river. Just the water is so pristine. By the way thank you so much G Man for sharing this with us. Three full thank you so much for the coffee I appreciate it Jennifer French Mad Hatter cut the Yamas in the house really with the sunglasses Ryan Farrell's a new traveler Js JWS old by old school Bible I'm so happy you're enjoying this Jeff Ang and Eugene Herb Herbert thank you guys. Just sharing this with you it really is like I'm so emotionally moved and saying why am I again like I asked myself not too long ago why am I living in Tokyo when you have this.
00:36:48 John Daub: My wife lives in Tokyo Shibuya area I haven't seen her since New Year's but when I watch your videos I feel at home again I'm so happy just that you can feel back home a little bit from these tours. Total pork oh hello to Carlo and Violet from Canada you guys are awesome. Can you see yourself living here if you haven't commented yet in this video send me write something in the chat right now could you comment in the chat right now.
00:38:02 Carlo: We'll probably hire people from next year. What do you call that travel visa? Work holiday visa.
00:38:18 Violet: Yeah, so maybe next year if coronavirus has calmed down a bit, we'll look into hiring people from that. I think that's really great. I'm sure people would work just for accommodation and food as well. Get a chance to experience.
00:38:24 John Daub: Yesterday, I actually went to another yuzu farm and was harvesting, and there's something really relaxing about just clipping it and putting the yuzu away.
00:38:33 Violet: Yeah, you zone out doing it, I guess. The farmer and his wife, they're in their 70s, and they've been farming for decades, and just the two of them. It kind of blows me away how much work people do here without help. So they need help for sure. We definitely need a CrossFit coach if anyone's interested in coming to work for three months. If you want to come and do three months work experience here, we'll provide the accommodation, and you can come and work.
00:39:08 John Daub: How do they get in touch with you?
00:39:11 Violet: I have an Instagram account, Violet Daikei Pachuleo. Check that out. You can send messages through Instagram too, and that's a good way to get in touch with me as well.
00:39:44 John Daub: So there you have it. I hope that this was enjoyable for you, and you learned something a little bit about the Japanese countryside and how beautiful it is in an October afternoon that I'm shocked at the sunshine. When I come to Kochi, usually it's a little bit cloudy in the winter, but yeah, this is beautiful. And I could see myself living here for even through the winters. Maybe have a house in Okinawa. I'm not sure. Again, get in touch with Violet. I'll put a link in the description to her Instagram so you can send her a message. And if you're interested in being a CrossFit coach, this is a wonderful opportunity for everybody who's thinking about that. And if you ever want to get away from Tokyo and the beaten path, this path is not beaten, man. You're a pioneer out here. And that's what it's all about. Thanks so much for watching, everybody.
00:41:01 John Daub: Thanks so much for sharing this wonderful experience. Definitely hit the like button. Kochi is a place where you can do a lot of exercising. And again, you free yourself from the traffic lights and the sounds and the congestion. And you can come out here. And last night I had the best night of sleep. Tonight, I'm going to be taking you around this really scary, haunted looking town that I'm staying in. In an Airbnb with a house that has a history going back to the Edo period, which is creepy. It's kind of creepy, but it's a really pretty town, too. So I'll be doing that tonight. And I get another live stream this afternoon, by the way. Thanks so much to Violet and Carlo for sharing their story and their experience. And I'm so glad that they did move out here because they're doing a wonderful thing for Kochi Prefecture and this town. And I wonder in a couple of years how different it's going to be. Have a good day. Have a good night wherever you are from the world. Don't forget to hit the like button. And subscribe. And you can see the new video on the Only in Japan channel with the most amazing train crossing in the whole country. Have a good day, everybody. Stay safe wherever you are. See you in a couple hours.