00:01 John Daub: So today we got a brand new futon. My neighbors below aren't going to like that. Here's some old futon. And in this episode, I wanted to go over—this is also a futon. There's different kinds of futon. Here's a new futon that just came in. And as you can see in our apartment, we don't have tatami (traditional straw mat flooring), which is a little bit strange to have a futon because most people that have tatami rooms will have futons.

00:32 John Daub: But if you don't have a tatami room, usually you don't get a futon. There's a reason behind that. And this episode, I will also talk about that. More and more apartments in Tokyo don't have tatami. And I've been living in Japan for 26 years and I can't imagine not sleeping on one. In fact, I have trouble sleeping in beds because I'm so used to being on a futon. So there's some benefits to that. And I'll kind of share my information from my experience with you.

00:59 John Daub: Kanae is over there working, so I'm not sure she's going to help us out here. This is our old futon. And what I noticed is that it's kind of gotten a little bit moldy. I've had this for about 12 years. And the life of a futon is usually less than 10 years. We also need a new carpet. So it's time to go to Ikea. We also had this like memory foam thing. And it's just awfully filthy. I was thinking about it. I said, you know what, it's time to get a new futon. So that's what I did.

01:33 John Daub: This is a double size as well. I had it in the old apartment. I'm not even sure why we were sleeping on it. I had to take the sheets off of it. And yeah, that's when we discovered this is not good. One of the things that you definitely need to get when you don't have tatami for a futon is this. There are certain things that you definitely need something like this here. This is a mat.

02:00 John Daub: You see this, it kind of will spread out on a floor and you need this to be able to sleep on it. And you can see this because tatami rooms are breathable. The tatami is like alive. So when you have a cold floor and a hot body on a bed, there'll be condensation. So it'll get wet underneath there. But if you have something like this, not only can you dry it out like this, but you can also really protect the life of the futon. You really need to have carpeting or a mat. You can't have a hardwood floor with the futon.

02:34 John Daub: They also have these really nifty wooden frames that you can buy. And this is hinoki wood (Japanese cypress) or Japanese cedar. Smells great to have that in there. And this is something that you would put the futon on. So it lets it breathe underneath there. Get some air underneath. The one that I ordered, it's not coming until later today. I think this one was the one that I got here. And it's made again from hinoki wood.

03:07 John Daub: It's easy to put it away and you put the futon on top of that again it allows some air underneath there so you don't get condensation to build up in particular during the winter which is kind of a mess and I think that's why we got the kabi (mold) or the black mold in the futon to begin with. I didn't do a very good job taking care of it because I used to live in an apartment with a beautiful tatami room. Look at this I had to give this up when I came here. Again like most apartments in Tokyo don't have tatami rooms anymore. Mine did. I can't imagine living in Japan without a tatami room at least that's what I thought until I moved in this apartment and I still really miss that tatami room.

03:53 John Daub: It's just like the soul of a Japanese apartment or house is that tatami room and I just got new tatami the house smells so good it's such a refreshing smell. So when we moved into here and it didn't have a tatami room I was kind of upset because I wondered can we even use the futon. This is a ryokan (traditional inn) that I stayed in in Fukushima. You can see the tatami the futons are laid out on top of the tatami this is the way it is done so it doesn't get that condensation underneath the tatami mats.

04:29 John Daub: And you can see underneath the tatami sometimes they have like a memory foam or a soft mat to add more layering to it but nowadays and this is the tatami futon I want to show you the one we got is extra thick I think it was like 13 centimeters thick five layers so I figured we don't really need much of anything and this is going to be a really comfortable sleep. It came in a box just like this. Yeah I got the same color. The price for this larger one was 15,000 yen or about a hundred dollars which is I guess what you should pay.

05:19 John Daub: There it is the futon brand new one came in here uh fold it up like this. The benefits to the futon you can put your bed away. When you have a bed a western style bed you cannot fold your bed away unless it's one of those Murphy beds that fold into the wall but for Japanese futon you can put it away and this leaves you with a lot more space which is a premium price so that's why we're talking about having a futon in a Japanese especially Tokyo apartment.

05:48 John Daub: Oh look at this this is another reason why I bought it from this company because it looks like it's a really nice small business and they make these futons they give you a little brochure there's the team making the futon that makes me pretty happy to see them thanks guys thanks for the hard work. This is actually I think this is like the Amazon essential futon as well if you can believe it so something good there. So that's what we're going to be using these are much thicker 13 centimeters this futon this is Leo's I think it's like four centimeters it's less than that maybe three it's really thin but it also makes it easier.

06:31 John Daub: And this is something you definitely need to think about when you get a futon first here's the sheet some of them are the sheets will fit around the futon completely and then sometimes there'll be a hole in it which allows it to breathe again you want the breathability of your bedding in Japan but the lighter and the thinner futon have a benefit the benefit is that they're easier to move and they're easier to put outside and when it's a sunny day like it is today you want to put your futon outside and air it out to dry it you'll have one of these you can get these at the 100 yen shop they're called clamps (banage) in Japanese.

07:17 John Daub: And you can clip these on to the balcony you'll see people who do this all around Japan it keeps it also freshens your bedding and freshens your futon and it's nice in the winter you can bring it back in and the solar heat has warmed it up a little bit as well but the lighter the futon the less space it takes up these I don't think you can even really fold it very very well but it's going to be a pretty comfortable sleep I think.

07:43 John Daub: And you know ever since I started sleeping in a futon I think that I feel better the softer beds just made me too comfortable and I wasn't as limber but yeah it's definitely something that's in the west more people are getting futons and they come in these bed frames and people in Japan sleep on the floor I've never fallen out of bed in Japan because I basically sleep on the floor which means you have to get up to be able to stand up like that instead of falling out of bed it's just too comfortable from discomfort comes strength maybe.

08:26 John Daub: Do they ship international also hi John and family that vajic hey good day um I don't know I guess you're gonna have to go into amazon.co.jp uh I'll put a link in the description if you're interested to what the same one that we got they had three different styles I think and I'm gonna have to go through them all. They had three different styles three different depths and I got the thickest one because it was a little bit more expensive but it also looked like why not you know it's like do you get a 55 inch TV or 75 inch TV or an 88 inch TV no you go for the 88 don't you oh wait you're supposed to look at the size of the room etc yeah it's not something that I do I just went for the 65.

09:29 John Daub: All right let's take a look at this literature thank you Bradshaw Studio oh this is nice so they kind of go over this is the one from Amazon so it's a small business in Tochigi which is a prefecture just outside Tokyo and you can see them making it there's some information on how to sleep better I thought that that was interesting you just passed that like don't smoke tobacco right before you go to bed it says here that's interesting I don't smoke so that's not an issue I sleep pretty good.

10:13 John Daub: You even have a Facebook page oh here the three kinds of futon here so there's the shiki futon (mattress futon) right the bottom so this is the bottom and then there's the kake futon (comforter futon) which is the top. The kake futon is this one here so there's two kinds of futon that's another thing you have to consider this is the kake futon which is a comforter basically in English and this is a really thick one and I think we keep it for in the winter and then when the summer comes in we have one of these bags that takes the air out of it and all the down feathers just compress and you can store it in the closet and we bring it out in December it's that warm we have just a typical like it almost looks like a towel but it's a summer blanket in Japan.

11:18 John Daub: We take those out around the middle of May and then there's this like tweener period where we have these blankets like a light comforter right now we're doing it or something like this a microfiber blanket you get them at a Costco pretty cheap so we have that in like May as a tweener so like in between we might need a I might get another memory foam. So if you have that if you're at home it just depends but this is well past its prime.

11:46 John Daub: If you have a small apartment the futon actually can double as a sofa you put it up against the wall. I mean I wouldn't want to sit on my friend's sofa if I came over his house and this is my bed this is my sofa a little weird but again one of the things with westerners in their apartments that futon frame that would prop up like this and you could be able to sit down like make your bed into like a sofa which is you know it's really good for space saving kind of gross I'm not sure I want to sleep on someone's bed especially if they're doing you know the deed on it or whatever.

12:29 John Daub: I'm not sure I probably just want to sit on the floor but you know if you don't take off your shoes you might be left with nowhere to sit. I've been here for 26 years I've been here for a very long time I don't know I remember watching Friends and Seinfeld episodes and you see like Chandler put his shoes on the sofa and you can see all of us here in Japan like cringing like what what are you doing or when Jerry had his shoes on and he was laying in his bed it's like are you kidding me just kind of was a little bit too much for me after living here for so long.

13:05 John Daub: Like I don't know why the first thing you should do when you come into your house is take off your shoes you've been in the restroom you've been on the subway you've been all over the place inside the Walmart do you really want to bring that into your carpeting I don't I never understood. I'm looking here I just want to say thank you to Samantha she made this beautiful drawing and we've cherished it since Leo was born as one of the gifts and we really love it.

13:39 John Daub: This is the bedroom it's not very big. One of the other things I'm doing is Leo who's our almost three-year-old son he's gonna be sleeping in his own room from now on uh which is a tent so I'm gonna put his futon in this tent that looks like a dinosaur and he already put most of his friends in there he's got that Totoro and owl um from Cocomelon I don't know.

14:07 John Daub: If you're coming to Japan if you're thinking of moving to Japan this is something you should think about if you're coming to Tokyo you're probably not going to have a tatami room in your house anymore but if you're living out in like Shizuoka and Niigata out in the countryside there's a high likelihood that you will have a tatami room because it's more traditional it just depends on the older apartments. The reason why is tatami is more and more the companies that make tatami are going out of business because the demand for them is lower because younger people don't want to take care of tatami which requires being taken care of and they need to be replaced like sometime between six and ten years you have to put in new tatami and there's extra cost.

14:54 John Daub: If you have wooden floors like we do here or fake wood I think it's a lot cheaper and a lot less maintenance but you miss you lose the soul of the room and I don't like the fact that Japan is changing into this tatami-less world you got to keep the tatami makers in business out there there's some good ones Kumamoto down there and in Kyushu there's a lot of good ones and Tottori I know a tatami maker in Tottori.

15:21 John Daub: How about pillows any recommendations all right Brian I'm actually working on a pillow episode it sounds like a little weird but pillows in Japan yeah you know the place that I go to buy the pillows is probably Nitori (home goods store) Nitori they usually have about seven or eight different types of pillows but there's a hotel style pillow and I kind of like that one I prefer feather pillows but Kanae you don't like feather pillows right.

15:56 Kanae Daub: You don't like feathers oh those are the worst do you mean 100% beads you mean like a mugi (barley) it used to be mugi right yeah there's well before plastic beads they didn't have that in the early Showa era they had mugi right it was mugi inside or soba (buckwheat).

16:27 John Daub: All right the traditional Japanese pillows and you still get them it's just like a bag of barley it's like a bag of oatmeal no it's a bag of hard barley I have no idea I'm sure some of you who visited Japan have gone like what the heck is this it's a bag of soba um it's so heavy and it's so hard I never understood of course it'll conform to your head I guess it's good for you.

17:08 John Daub: But here's the thing they have these pillows that also have the mugi or the barley or the plastic beads on the bottom of it and so when you if you're sleeping on your stomach you know and you put I like to put my hands under my pillow sometimes and crest my pillow you start playing with those darn beads right and there's plastic beads inside of them I can't it irritates me and then I can't fall asleep and then I can't sleep right so that's what's going on with me I prefer like a nice hotel fluffy big pillow that's what I have here it's in Leo's tent he took it but you Nitori is one of the best places to get sheets and bedding and it's pretty affordable.

17:43 John Daub: N-I-T-O-R-I they have one in Shibuya they've got the Nitori all over the countryside it's a massive Nitori you can buy home furnishings and stuff in there a lot of this stuff is not made in Japan though which is the same place Ikea or Ikea as we say in Japan makes your stuff but Amazon believe it or not Amazon might be one of the better places to buy it because you can check the origin of your products there and when it comes to bedding I always get it made in Japan.

18:17 John Daub: I don't know because I always think the bedroom is it's like a sacred place you're spending a third of your day there sleeping or sometimes a quarter of your day if you're editing a lot but you know you should replace your futon every seven to ten years all right I had mine for over 10 years so it was time for it to be replaced which is what we got today from a company off of Amazon that looks like it's some happy people and just in Tochigi.

18:56 John Daub: So you know when you are buying a futon in Japan try to make sure it's a futon made here in Japan. I got my last one that we're recycling you have to get throwing away a futon in Japan isn't like putting it out to the curb well we do that but you have to get stickers which is paying a tax and I think it was 200 yen just like 1.80 yen we have to put it out on a day in 10 days from now out on the curb before 8 a.m. and then they'll pick it up the tickets for the recycling for the futon 200 yen yeah for the big futon.

19:27 John Daub: It's called sodai gomi (oversized garbage) which is the large stuff you cannot put in the burnable trash which would be a futon. We threw out a desk at the beginning of the year and I think that was about 800 yen and if you throw out a TV or something you're probably going to have to pay about 1,200 to 2,000 yen maybe more. I think TVs though you might have to return it to the maker you have to call LG or Sony and you'll have to send it to them or they'll have to come and pick it up sometimes that's the recycling process for TVs and things like this.

20:18 John Daub: Don't forget to beat it that's the final thing the maintenance and the care as I showed you there was the clip that you need for the futon is right here this is something we'll put it on the balcony and then you can also they have these what do you call them the futon tataki (futon beater). You go outside you see the old ladies particular like around 7:00 a.m. and they're just bang banging the futon and getting the dust out of it.

20:50 John Daub: What do you think those old ladies in Japan get their power from it's from banging futons I swear they are just whacking out of those things and there's dust even if there's no dust in there they find dust in fact if you whack something strong enough it turns to dust so I think maybe those futons they only last 10 years they probably could last 20 maybe they're just turning it to dust you didn't think about that thanks for bringing that up and Carrie writes in here plus free anger management that's very true.

21:25 John Daub: All right so there you go if you have any questions leave them in the comments below I think it's interesting when you are coming to Japan if you do come here you definitely have to stay in a ryokan and in a tatami room. I've stayed in so many of them over the years. You can see them on my Instagram page here. Whenever I stay in one, I'll take a picture of it. This is one at the onsen up in Akita, Nyuto Onsen. It was really cold.

21:54 John Daub: When I went to dinner, they pushed the table to the side, and then they put the futon right in the middle there. So it's a way to save space to use futon in the tatami room. This is one that I stayed at. Where was this one? Oh, this was in Omihachiman in Shiga Prefecture. They put the futon out like this, and I had to put it away. You can see there's a mattress underneath the futon to give it a little bit of more softness to it. And I think it was one of those mugi pillows with the beads in it, which drives me crazy.

22:30 John Daub: But you know it's a way to save space to use futon in the tatami room. It's the soul of the room. And when you have a futon, it's kind of cool. You really feel like you're in Japan when you have that. And I hope that you all stay in a hotel-like place that allows you to have a futon. They're really reasonable if you buy them.

22:49 John Daub: Oh, the reason why you're banging them out and making sure that the moisture gets out is because there's also not just kabi, which is mold, but what do you call the little bugs in there? The dani (dust mites).

23:05 Kanae Daub: So dani can be a problem usually for tatami. But if you have the futon on the tatami and it's getting condensation underneath there, it's starting to rot, the dani will come. And the dani are like little mites.

23:16 John Daub: Futon vacuum, right?

23:18 Kanae Daub: Yeah, there's a futon vacuum.

23:22 John Daub: Bedbugs. More or less, I think dani are like a Japanese bedbug. It's different than the ones in Paris. Those things are indestructible.

23:29 Kanae Daub: They don't bite, usually.

23:31 John Daub: But yeah, it makes it allergic.

23:35 Kanae Daub: So we have to put outside. Yeah. You can every day and dry.

23:44 John Daub: Every day?

23:44 Kanae Daub: Yeah.

23:46 John Daub: You know, we never do that.

23:47 Kanae Daub: Yeah, we better do it. We better.

23:48 John Daub: So every day?

23:49 Kanae Daub: I think it's like once a month.

23:51 John Daub: Yeah, once a week.

23:55 Kanae Daub: We do?

23:56 John Daub: We have to do.

23:57 Kanae Daub: Well, we have to do that.

23:59 John Daub: We had to.

23:59 Kanae Daub: What?

24:00 John Daub: That's why we're throwing this away.

24:02 Kanae Daub: We're so busy. You forget to put it out.

24:05 John Daub: We have a we used to put out the like we would wash the clothes in Japan. Dryers are a novelty here. So you have a washing machine, but you never really have a dryer in Japan. Same with washing machines, dishwashing machines. You don't really have dishwashing machines in Japan. You have to wash your dishes by hand. There's the same, you know, a home appliance that just doesn't fit in the house.

24:27 John Daub: But we have. Shout out to Paolo because we went to his place and we saw his washing machine. We're like, that's really nice.

24:35 Kanae Daub: He goes, yeah, it's a washer dryer. Cool.

24:37 John Daub: So we end up getting the same one as him. Darn influencers. And it washes and it also dries. So it made us lazier.

24:50 Kanae Daub: But in the winter and the summer, we always try to dry this stuff outside because it saves on energy costs, but because it dries and when you have a kid, you have a lot less free time to hang stuff. So anything that can save time is valuable.

25:05 John Daub: But, you know, we're trying very much to be eco friendly as well. Think about that a little bit. Step by step.

25:16 Kanae Daub: Can it dry a futon?

25:19 John Daub: No, that dryer is too small.

25:22 Kanae Daub: Actually, there are places like laundromats. You can take the futon to wash. You can wash it.

25:32 John Daub: Can it go inside?

25:34 Kanae Daub: Washable. It's washable. But you need a big washing machine.

25:38 John Daub: Yeah, we have laundry, coin laundry here.

25:42 Kanae Daub: Coin laundry. Oh, yeah. Across down the street. Yeah, they have a bigger size laundry machine for futon.

25:50 John Daub: You've done that before?

25:52 Kanae Daub: I haven't, but my sister did.

25:55 John Daub: Oh, is that more expensive? How much?

25:58 Kanae Daub: I don't know. How much? Three hundred yen or five hundred yen.

26:03 John Daub: And we've never done it for Leo's futon.

26:05 Kanae Daub: Does he know that? But we bring it, the futon to the cleaning.

26:09 John Daub: Oh, to the dry cleaning?

26:11 Kanae Daub: Dry cleaning. I bring the cleaning shops.

26:14 John Daub: How much is that? Especially the shiki futon.

26:17 Kanae Daub: That's got to be. Oh, right. The comforter. Yeah.

26:19 John Daub: But the bottom one is the shiki futon. The kake futon is the top one.

26:23 Kanae Daub: The comforter is called the kake futon. And the shiki futon is the bottom part of the mattress. And the mattress part you can take to the dry cleaner. But the kake futon, you can't. This is we can't put it in the washing machine. It's down. So we have to get it dry cleaned.

26:42 John Daub: You know that, right?

26:44 Kanae Daub: We can bring it to the cleaning shop too. Yeah, you take it to the cleaning shop.

26:49 John Daub: All right. This is good information. Anything else should the people know about futons since you're a master?

26:56 Kanae Daub: I'm not a master, but I like futon because it's easier to put away. Then we can make more space.

27:04 John Daub: Yeah, but we don't often put it away.

27:07 Kanae Daub: Yeah.

27:08 John Daub: My dad has a Japanese tatami room.

27:13 Kanae Daub: Yeah. So he brings futon to his oshiire (built-in closet) closet every day. He does?

27:21 John Daub: Yeah, I was doing it every day.

27:24 Kanae Daub: Why? How come we don't do that?

27:25 John Daub: I don't know.

27:26 Kanae Daub: We don't have a space for oshiire because we don't have a tatami room.

27:31 John Daub: All right. This isn't a tatami room.

27:33 Kanae Daub: This is not a tatami room. We have a very small closet.

27:36 John Daub: Right. So we can bring this futon to put away. So it's unusual to have a futon without a tatami room.

27:45 Kanae Daub: Right. Like people would have beds in this kind of a space. Right.

27:51 John Daub: Yeah. So that's another thing. The closets for tatami rooms.

27:56 John Daub: I'm not going to show that because all our stuff's in there. But this closet is not big enough to fit the beds. So tatami room will have a closet that's much, much bigger that you can fit the futon underneath there and put it away. And then you're left with this really beautiful, spacious room that you can do your yoga or whatever in.

28:14 Kanae Daub: Yeah. But this closet isn't even big enough for clothes, actually. I think it's time to move.

28:20 John Daub: So we have to keep the futon out and that's not ideal. So that's another thing you should consider when you are living in a Japanese style apartment. Not all of them have the tatami room. And if they don't, then it's probably going to be hard to put the futon away at the end of the day. So that's why we leave it out.

28:39 Kanae Daub: Oh, so we're not lazy. We're just victim of circumstances.

28:42 John Daub: I like that.

28:42 Kanae Daub: I hope we are not lazy. We're doing our best.

28:48 John Daub: I'm doing my best. It's not easy because you have to put you should put the futon away. But when you don't have a closet space for it.

28:55 Kanae Daub: But look, my heart wants the futon.

28:58 John Daub: It's not hers. You don't want a bed, right?

29:00 Kanae Daub: Yeah, I want a bed. You want a bed?

29:02 John Daub: Yeah, that's not going to happen. This is Japan.

29:05 Kanae Daub: Yeah, but if we have a tatami room, I want a futon. But we don't have it. So the bed is better.

29:13 John Daub: But we live in Japan. We must have futon. There's no choice. I mean, like, I can't imagine living here and not having a futon. I hope we can get the tatami room next time.

29:24 Kanae Daub: Yeah. So Leo. So but in Japan, all the family will sleep in the same room. So it's nice to have futon instead of bed. When we go to the hotel, it's actually hard because we have beds in the hotel. And Leo is still young where he could fall out of the bed. So he has to sleep in the middle.

29:42 John Daub: So I would much prefer to stay in a ryokan, which is on the floor. If you have little kids, that's way, way better.

29:49 Kanae Daub: But that's the Japanese style. All the families line up like five futons, which if you're staying at your in-laws place, that would be slightly uncomfortable to have to sleep next to your mother-in-law.

29:59 John Daub: I was sleeping with my dad and mom.

30:02 Kanae Daub: Until high school?

30:04 John Daub: Yeah. Really?

30:06 Kanae Daub: We have a Japanese tatami room.

30:08 John Daub: Don't you want your own room?

30:10 Kanae Daub: I have an own room, but I didn't sleep there because this is traditional Japanese way to sleep together with family. But your dad snores.

30:18 John Daub: He has an ibuki (breathing/snoring) problem. How did you sleep?

30:24 Kanae Daub: How? I can sleep. We used it. It's fun. Wow.

30:30 John Daub: This is news to me. All right, John, that's not logical.

30:35 Kanae Daub: What? Nothing really. I think it's a big difference. Japan and Asia and America.

30:43 John Daub: I love hearing your wife talk right in Tokyo. Thank you for that. It's soothing. It's so kind of you to let us into your bedroom.

30:53 John Daub: Hey, Taro Topoko, you can't stay. You're here just as long as we let you in Bradshaw Studio. Put ninety nine cents, but got a red sticker, according to my little thing. So you're here forever.

31:07 Kanae Daub: Yes, it could be a problem.

31:09 John Daub: So if your in-laws snore, you might not have a choice in Japanese. I think when Peter goes to his in-laws place, he has to sleep and sleep in his room with everybody as well. He kind of likes the change of pace. Perhaps we'll have to ask him about that.

31:22 Kanae Daub: But there are sofas that you can transform into bed so John can sleep in the living room. This sofa does transfer. Sofa is a pretty nice bed, but it's kind of a mess right now. But it's large enough. If I take the back cushions off, you can sleep there.

31:38 John Daub: My friend Tom, I think, had to sleep on that sofa and he didn't have too much. Here sometimes I do. I sleep here sometimes if everybody is sick or if I'm sick, I have to sleep out here and, you know, so we don't get all sick or covid or whatever. Then we had to do some separation. But we're living together. Does it really matter? We're all going to get it.

32:03 John Daub: Anything else about futon we should know? Like, why is the thicker one better?

32:06 Kanae Daub: You wanted this one?

32:10 John Daub: It looks good.

32:11 Kanae Daub: It looks good, huh? Yeah.

32:15 John Daub: Yeah. OK. And Leo's sleeping in there. He said anyways, he wants to try.

32:21 Kanae Daub: Yeah. All right, everybody, that's all we have. Thank you.

32:26 John Daub: You can go back to work. Thank you. And thank you all of you for watching. If you have any questions about futon or Japanese home furnishings or ideas for an episode, leave it down in the comments below. I appreciate the feedback. I'm always learning about this, too.

32:38 John Daub: I love to go to a futon maker and see how they make it. Maybe even these people here because they look really happy. I want to know what's inside of the futon. It's not springs, but this is the traditional way to make it. And a lot of them are making it with the same ingredients. Usually it's cotton or sometimes it's straw. So some of the really traditional futon makers make it the way that they've been making it for hundreds of years. And that's kind of cool.

33:02 John Daub: I'd like to learn more about the history of bedding in Japan at the tatami rooms. And maybe if you guys want it, let me know in the comments and I'll be inspired to make that episode because that's the soul of a Japanese room. Right, Aiken? Thanks for the insights. My friends.

33:20 John Daub: Oh, wait, I just went by here. My friend's mom had a wonderful futon. They were like clouds. I know. I'm hoping that this thicker one and I splurged a little bit. I remember the Super Chat guys. That's how I was able to splurge a little bit. So I got the ones that were about 4,000 yen more expensive because I figured they might last longer. And they had an extra layer, which is always good. When you think about like a cake, an extra layer is good.

33:49 Kanae Daub: Yeah. Mama, Dada, Leo.

33:57 John Daub: Fireworks. Have a good day, everybody. I'll see you in the next episode, perhaps tomorrow. Matane (see you later).