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2020-06-05 · Ep 728 · 21m

Japanese vs American Cherries Rainier and Bing Cherry Cultivars 🍒

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Summary

Japanese vs American Cherries Rainier and Bing Cherry Cultivars 🍒

Overview

In this live stream episode, John Daub tackles a seasonal dilemma faced by many residents in Japan: choosing between expensive, jewel-like Japanese cherries (sakuranbo) and larger, more affordable American imports. Joined by his wife Kanae Daub, John conducts a detailed taste test comparing the two varieties, examining differences in color, texture, sweetness, and price. The Japanese cherries, predominantly from Yamagata Prefecture, command a significantly higher price per gram compared to the American counterparts from Washington State.

Beyond the taste test, the video delves into the history of cherry cultivation in Japan, tracing back to the Meiji era and the introduction of seedlings by German traders and the Ministry of Home Affairs. John provides extensive context on global cherry production, highlighting key regions like Turkey, Michigan, and Oregon, and discussing various cultivars such as Bing, Rainier, and the prized Japanese Sato Nishiki. The episode blends personal preference, agricultural history, and global statistics to explain why Japanese fruit often carries a luxury price tag.

The conversation also touches on the cultural significance of fruit in Japan, where perfection in appearance and taste drives market value. John and Kanae share their personal preferences, noting the softer texture and balanced sweetness of the Japanese cherries versus the crunchy, tart sweetness of the American ones. The stream concludes with viewer interaction, trivia about global cherry production, and a lighthearted look at cherry pits and cherry pie.

Highlights

  • 00:00:00 John introduces the annual dilemma of choosing between American and Japanese cherries.
  • 00:01:57 Price comparison reveals Japanese cherries are significantly more expensive per gram.
  • 00:03:15 Kanae explains Yamagata Prefecture produces 70% of Japan's cherries.
  • 00:03:57 History of cherry cultivation in Japan starting in the Meiji era.
  • 00:05:54 Live weighing of the cherries shows the drastic weight-to-price difference.
  • 00:07:19 The taste test begins with Kanae trying the Japanese sakuranbo.
  • 00:08:29 Kanae surprises John by preferring the American cherry this time.
  • 00:10:14 John analyzes the texture differences: crunch vs. softness.
  • 00:14:18 Discussion of the Sato Nishiki variety and its specific sweetness.
  • 00:17:10 Global cherry production statistics including Turkey and the USA.
  • 00:19:56 John mentions Black Forest cake and missing the trash can with pits.
  • 00:21:05 Closing remarks and viewer interaction about luxury fruits.

Timeline / Chapters

  • 00:00:00 Introduction: The Cherry Dilemma
  • 00:01:57 Price Comparison and Weight Analysis
  • 00:03:15 Yamagata Prefecture and Japanese Cherry History
  • 00:07:19 Taste Test: Japanese vs American
  • 00:10:14 Texture and Flavor Profile Analysis
  • 00:14:18 Varieties: Sato Nishiki and Bing
  • 00:17:10 Global Cherry Production Statistics
  • 00:19:56 Black Cherries and Cherry Pit Trivia
  • 00:21:05 Conclusion and Viewer Q&A

Japan Travel Tips

  • Fruit Season: Cherries (sakuranbo) are typically in season during early summer (June).
  • Buying Locations: High-quality Japanese cherries are found in supermarkets and fruit shops; American imports are common in larger supermarkets.
  • Price Expectations: Japanese cherries can cost significantly more than American ones; expect to pay premium prices for perfect specimens.
  • Regional Specialties: Look for cherries from Yamagata Prefecture for the best Japanese quality.
  • Gifting: Perfect boxes of cherries are often used as luxury gifts (ochugen or oseibo).

Japanese Language & Culture Notes

  • Sakuranbo (さくらんぼ): The Japanese word for cherry, specifically the fruit of the Prunus avium grown for eating, distinct from ornamental cherry blossoms (sakura).
  • Tane (種): Seed or pit. John mentions spitting the tane into the trash can.
  • Luxury Fruit Culture: Japan is known for high-priced, perfect-looking fruit (melons, mangoes, cherries) often sold in protective boxes.
  • Yamagata Prefecture: Located in the Tohoku region, known for agriculture due to favorable climate (little frost, negligible typhoon damage).
  • Meiji Era History: Cherry cultivation was systematically introduced in the late 19th century with government support.

Food & Drink Guide

  • Sakuranbo (Japanese Cherry)
    • Description: Smaller, deep red, jewel-like, softer texture.
    • Price: Approximately $5 for 90 grams (in video).
    • John's Reaction: Softer, sophisticated taste, less acidic, good balance.
    • Timestamp: 00:07:19
  • American Cherry (Washington State)
    • Description: Larger, crunchy, tart sweetness, varieties include Bing and Rainier.
    • Price: Approximately $10 for 434 grams (in video).
    • John's Reaction: Crunchy, acidic, sweet, patriotic preference.
    • Timestamp: 00:07:29
  • Sato Nishiki
    • Description: Premium Japanese variety from Yamagata.
    • John's Reaction: Very sweet, different kind of sweetness.
    • Timestamp: 00:14:18
  • Cherry Pie
    • Description: American dessert mentioned by John.
    • Timestamp: 00:21:41

People

  • John Daub: Host. Leads the comparison, provides historical context and global statistics, expresses preference for American cherries in this instance.
  • Kanae Daub: Co-host. Provides context on Yamagata Prefecture, participates in the taste test, normally prefers Japanese cherries but chooses American this time.

Key Takeaways

  • Price Disparity: Japanese cherries are exponentially more expensive per gram than American imports due to cultivation standards and branding.
  • Texture Difference: Japanese cherries are softer; American cherries are crunchier with more skin tension.
  • Flavor Profile: Japanese cherries have a sophisticated, balanced sweetness; American cherries are sweeter but more acidic/tart.
  • Production Hub: Yamagata Prefecture dominates Japanese cherry production (70%).
  • Global Context: Turkey is the world's largest sweet cherry producer, followed by the USA.

Notable Quotes

  • 00:00:00 "Every year I go to the supermarket and have this dilemma. Do you pick the luscious, delicious American cherry? Or do you go for the Japanese cherry?"
  • 00:05:54 "That's 100 grams. So about 90 grams for $5? That's more expensive than Wagyu beef. That's crazy."
  • 00:08:29 "Go America! America wins! Today, I like this one."
  • 00:10:14 "The American cherries, they're a little bit harder. When you bite into them, there's a crunch to them. I like that."
  • 00:17:10 "Turkey leads in sweet cherry production. Incredible. America is number two."
  • 00:19:56 "I like to take the pit and put the trash can across the room and try to throw them in the trash can, but I miss more than not and she doesn't get happy."

Related Topics

  • Japanese Luxury Fruit
  • Yamagata Prefecture Tourism
  • American Imports in Japan
  • Seasonal Fruit in Japan
  • Meiji Era Agriculture

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Full Transcript

00:00:00 John Daub: Every year I go to the supermarket and have this dilemma. Do you pick the luscious, delicious American cherry? Or do you go for the Japanese cherry? It has a more jewel-like red color. Even the stems are a different color. It's a very hard choice, but it might be made easier based on the price.

00:00:29 John Daub: How you doing everybody? Today we're trying Japanese versus American cherries. I think in taste it's going to be quite different, but in price, that's where things get a little bit different. And joining us is Kanae Daub. We're working on the Postcard Club for the Postcard Club members, by the way.

00:00:49 John Daub: All right, already we got people who are writing in, "I like the American ones." Well, how do you know? Have you even tried the Japanese ones? What is most striking with the Japanese cherries is the color. Look at it. We're going to examine some of these because I've never seen these in the United States. I remember growing up as a kid, I loved cherries. I would just plop them in my mouth one after the other. They're so sweet. But the Japanese cherry is different. Why do they make different kinds of cherries? Is it because Japanese people have different flavors? And how are these American cherries so big? Is it GMO? Most of the cherries that come from America to Japan are from Washington State and they have some amazing dessert cherries. Look at this thing. It's beautiful. I just washed it.

00:01:57 John Daub: So let's try these and see which one is better and then we'll give you some information on cherries because the show has to be informational. The price was different, right? Here the label says the Japanese cherries are this amount, which is pretty crazy. This was about $5 for just this. And this, which is I think four times the weight, was about ten dollars. Japanese cherries are always more expensive. It's crazy expensive.

00:03:15 Kanae Daub: The Japanese cherries are predominantly from Yamagata Prefecture. Yamagata is a prefecture in the Tohoku region. They make 70 percent of the Japanese cherries. You can actually get a box of cherries from Yamagata for twenty-five or several hundred dollars because the cherries are perfect. It's just like all the other fruits in Japan. You can get a mango that costs $5,000, a melon that costs $25,000, although this year it was a lot less because not a lot of people went to the auction. Too bad for the melon industry. But cherries are much prized in Japan.

00:03:57 John Daub: It started in the Meiji era. This cherry variety came by a German trader named Richard Gärtner [?]. He introduced cherries to Japan. The cultivation was tested throughout Japan over several years, but most areas failed due to the lack of cherry knowledge. If you're not like Johnny Appleseed, this guy who went across America just throwing seeds all over the place—he'd probably be in big trouble if Johnny Appleseed were doing that in the 21st century. But back then the Japanese didn't know how to cultivate cherries. So it stunk, sort of like the wine industry, but the Japanese wine is getting better. However, in 1876, when cherry seedlings imported from countries including America and France were planted in Yamagata by the Ministry of Home Affairs, it was found that the climate and natural features perfectly matched those needed for cherry production. Yamagata Prefecture has the perfect weather for cherry production because the prefecture has relatively little frost and bears negligible damage from typhoons. Following the success, private organizations and governments cooperated to spread cherries throughout Yamagata Prefecture. Yamagata Prefecture is one of the most famous for cherries in Japan.

00:05:54 John Daub: Let's weigh these things here. Hey there, we got some new members. Welcome aboard. Michael Hardy, an Insider. All right, let's see how much this weighs. Turn the scale towards you because you can see it better. The plastic is negligible. That's 100 grams. So about 90 grams for $5? That's more expensive than Wagyu beef. That's crazy. And this was $10. That's a good 434 grams. So this is over four times the weight. 100 yen equals $1. Four times the weight. That's how crazy expensive Japanese cherries are. It's insane, right? But look at the colors. Now, the question is, seven minutes in this live stream, how's the taste?

00:07:04 John Daub: Kanae, you want to go ahead and taste this? The cherry challenge is on the way. This is the Japanese cherry, right? Yeah, we say sakuranbo (Japanese cherry).

00:07:15 Kanae Daub: Sakuranbo.

00:07:19 John Daub: Try the sakuranbo. Tasty. American cherry.

00:07:29 Kanae Daub: Oh, there's a seed in there? Yeah, the tane (seed). USA. Which one? Wait. Okay, got to wait. Don't pressure the lady. Let her chew. Wow. Which one? Interesting. Okay, wait. Actually, I like Japanese sakuranbo normally. I like Japanese cherry more than American cherry. But this time, this American cherry is sweeter. Sweeter than this.

00:08:29 John Daub: Go America! America wins! Today, I like this one. Is it because of the pressure I gave you? Or the crazy eyes? But normally, I like Japanese sakuranbo, Japanese cherry because it's softer. Softer? I never even considered that to be a criteria, the softness of the cherry. Interesting. It's softer and it's sweet. But this American cherry, you bought it. It's actually very sweet. It's a good one. That was 10 bucks for that little Washington cherry. Jim is from Washington. Jim, you send us some cherries, please. Uncle Sam sent these.

00:09:15 Kanae Daub: You can try.

00:09:17 John Daub: If you like luxury fruits, click the like button. Because if this doesn't get like a thousand likes, I'm not doing any more luxury fruits. Forget it. I'm just kidding. I'm always going to do it. I'm going to start with the American cherry because I'm American. And she started with the Japanese cherry because she's Japanese.

00:10:14 John Daub: The American cherries, they're a little bit harder. When you bite into them, there's a crunch to them. I like that. There's some tension with the skin. These are softer. The first thing I noticed when I compare the two cherries is that these are smaller. Each one is smaller. And I prefer the bigger ones because there's more biting to it. It might just be me or it could be genetically modified cherries. I don't know. But they do come from Washington State. These are obviously sweeter. But you know what? The thing is with this cherry, there's something different about the taste of it. It has a better balance. These are so sweet. These cherries, according to Bicolored L, these are obese cherries, I guess. These are softer, but there's something sophisticated about the taste. Japan doesn't have a lot of GMO stuff, but they have not as sweet of a taste. It's just different. There's a different acidity to them. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful color. Look, it's shining. The inside of the cherry is completely different. It looks more like a grape. This one looks like a mini tomato or something. The American cherries are more acidic. I can taste more of the acidity of the American cherries. This is a different acidity level. I think the Japanese cherries are also softer on your stomach. You can taste the red wine sometimes because I think that the red wine has some sort of properties that's better than white wine. And color is important. And this color, this super deep red, I think is good for the body. It's just a gut feeling. Cherries are the perfect dessert. I think there's some tannins in here. That's why people in Washington State, they're in pretty good shape, I think.

00:14:18 John Daub: Did you try, have you ever tried sakuranbo cherry from Yamagata? Sato Nishiki? Yeah, I've tried the Sato Nishiki. Damn, they're very, very sweet. It's a different kind of sweetness. Yeah, it's really good. These Washington cherries are more like tarty, like a tart sweetness to it. I like them both, but I have to say probably American cherries. I'm very patriotic when it comes to my cherries and apples. I like Japanese apples, but American apples are really good too.

00:15:02 John Daub: Kspraydad, welcome as a traveler. That's awesome. Trickress is here. She's sweeter than cherries. Long time no see, Trickress. By the way, if you are a traveler, you have access to emoji. Show Kanae. Kanae has not seen this yet. Can anyone show Kanae the Kanae emoji? Yeah, I made a Kanae emoji. She doesn't even know. Look, that's Kanae.

00:15:47 Kanae Daub: Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

00:15:50 John Daub: Nasha Broad went crazy with that one. This is so funny. UFO Bob, how dare you put that mask there? That's the Johnny mask. That's funny. So in general, I wanted to keep the stream really short. Everybody just to share a little bit with you because I bought these here. American cherries versus Japanese cherries. Which one do you think that you would like based on our description? Do you have any questions on the description? Was there something that you think that we didn't miss? I like both. Yeah, I like both too, but if you have to pick one, that's the question. Which one would you pick? A lot of people are saying, I have a sweet tooth, so American. The firmness of it.

00:17:10 John Daub: I was looking at the statistics here. Russia produces the most sour cherries. In the United States, most sweet cherries are grown in Washington State, which are the ones that come to Japan. California, sometimes we get California cherries. Oregon, Wisconsin, and Michigan, those are the places with the sweet cherries. Important sweet cherries cultivars include the Bing cherry, the Ulster cherry, the Rainier cherry, Brooks cherry, Tulare cherry, King cherry, and the Sweetheart cherry. Both Oregon and Michigan provide light colored Royal Anne or Queen Anne type of cherries. And the Maraschino cherry, which is used in cocktails, comes from Oregon and Michigan mostly. Most sour cherries, called tart cherries, are grown in Michigan, followed by Utah, New York, and Washington. Sours include Nanking and Evans cherries. I didn't know there were so many varieties of them. There's a national cherry festival including the making of the world's largest cherry pie, and I love cherry pie. Specific regions of northern Michigan known for tart cherry production is referred to as Traverse Bay region. Turkey leads in sweet cherry production. Incredible. America is number two. Turkey produces over 20% of the world's cherries. I've never had a Turkish cherry. I had no idea. America produces 330,000 tons. Turkey produces 445,000 tons. Iran, Spain, Italy, Chile, Romania, Uzbekistan, Russia and Greece round out the top 10. Japan isn't even there. The world produces 2.25 million tons of cherries. Not enough. I could eat most of those if I had the chance.

00:19:56 John Daub: Black cherries are best in the USA. Would these be considered black cherries? Because they are very deep. We've never had black cherries in Japan. We have these deep red cherries and we have the Japanese cherries. But we've never seen like black forest black cherries. They're very famous in Germany. The black forest cake and things like this. I like to take the pit and put the trash can across the room and try to throw them in the trash can, but I miss more than not and she doesn't get happy. It's expected. It's when I miss, I hear about it.

00:21:05 John Daub: Thanks guys for watching. If you have any questions, you can leave a comment below. Click the like button if you want to see more luxury fruits. Thanks for hanging out with us. These live streams are a little longer. There's been complaints. Why can't you make the live streams shorter? It's because half of the people just got the notifications. Patreon is where they all go. But I'll see you later.

00:21:41 John Daub: You want to show Cherry for the last 20 seconds? Where do we get cherry pie, Kanae? I want to get some cherry pie. Wow, it's too close. This is like Godzilla size. Whoa.

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